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Macho Handofg0ds permaban

PurpleOrange-
89

Avatar: Halloween Pumpkin
1

Level 69 Troll

“Human Yeast Infection”

Edit: Well that bleedin figures. I go post my opinion and it’s already moot. F you, universe. You too, karma. And probably myself, too, since I’m probably to blame for it, too.

So yes, rejoice and all that. Call me if anyone brings cake to the party. I’ll gladly put on a skimpy outfit and hide inside it.

Ok, I’ve read much discussion about this and now that I finally know exactly what this is about I can form an opinion on it.

From my point of view, Handofg0d did well. Nothing was wrong in his behaviour. I would say I’d have done it differently, but if it would be better, that’s debatable. Point is that this was a MAJOR security hole, one that needed to be patched up IMMEDIATELY. Bug reports, mails, all that jazz, it would all easily be lost in the ****storm of other stuff that rolls in every day. Sure, it would have been found and treated, no doubt, but when? That was the question. This was the only way to get immediate attention and an immediate fix.

Seeing how everyone keeps making comparisons to real world stuff, I’d say this incident is similar to someone leaving a note in a vault filled with gold that they had a huge gaping bubble-shaped hole in their east wall, even being kind enough to leave his name and address, only to find a party van ramming into his house to arrest and molest him as thanks.

Quite frankly, this was a ****-up on the mods’ side. No, I don’t think tubs should be demoted or banned. It was a mistake. People make them. But h0g should not be banned. Not permanently, not temporarily. He should be thanked for finding such a gigantic security hole. Unban him, give him a unique ‘M/God for a day’ peen, thank him, have a cup of tea, rejoice, profit.

Just my two Flezz.

PurpleOrange89 edited this message on 02/01/2009 1:30AM

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
20

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

PurpleOrange89 Posted:

]Seeing how everyone keeps making comparisons to real world stuff, I’d say this incident is similar to someone leaving a note in a vault filled with gold that they had a huge gaping bubble-shaped hole in their east wall, even being kind enough to leave his name and address, only to find a party van ramming into his house to arrest and molest him as thanks.

No, not quite. If you’d added in a part where the guy that left the note borrowed some of the gold, bought the Statue of Liberty, trimmed it with Christmas lights, but kept the receipt, got his money back and put the gold back in the vault, and then left the note, that would be a fair comparison.

The part about the party van was pretty funny, though.

Acid Flux edited this message on 02/01/2009 1:32AM

pieyum

Avatar: 104284 Thu Jan 22 21:59:47 -0500 2009
7

[Vacation Hideaway]

Level 33 Hacker

“01001000 01000001 01011000”

If you think about it this is kind of like the song the trees by rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw

Pony Express

Avatar: 23887 Wed Feb 04 13:47:04 -0500 2009
3

Level 35 Camwhore

MY bum HURTS BECAUSE I SHOVED THESE HEELS UP THERE AND NOW THEY ARE STUCK

MOD EDIT: Dragonz removed. No dragonz in non-RP

its all good man, you know??

its

pieyum

Avatar: 104284 Thu Jan 22 21:59:47 -0500 2009
7

[Vacation Hideaway]

Level 33 Hacker

“01001000 01000001 01011000”

its?

FAIL

Avatar: 36735 2015-06-13 23:04:37 -0400
6

[Full of SbumSS]

Level 25 Re-Re

Head of the Ministry of Man bumes

Interesting, CZ seems to be in line with all of my views on this incident…

*cough* Ishouldbeamod *cough*

I have a pbumword protected email account Log in to see images!

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
39

[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

FAIL Posted:

h0g is no longer permabanned! REJOICE!

CZ got it right. Kudos all around.

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
20

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

Very glad to see this happened.

Your were a bit too clever for your own good, HoG. Log in to see images!

SimplyTHEBEST

Avatar: Rocker Chick
17

Level 69 Camwhore

“Venereal Biohazard”

Acid Flux Posted:

Here’s where I disagree. Unless the email account was intentionally set up as a public use account for anyone to access, then HoG was ‘pretending’ to be Tubs in order to access the email account.

Mailinator was intentionally set-up to provide public-use accounts that anyone can access. Go to mailinator, type in the account name, and you can view all the mail that account has received in the past 60 minutes.

Acid Flux Posted:

Now, if this particular email service really was designed so that it had virtually no security…

Drop the “virtually”.

Acid Flux Posted:

then… frak, why the hell would you ever use the damn thing?

It’s mostly to provide disposable email addresses to use for signing up for sites that you don’t want to have an ACTUAL email address

Acid Flux Posted:

Strike #2 was when HoG decide to ‘go for the lulz’ instead of simply reporting the security hole he found to ET & CZ.

Yet going for the lulz resulted in ET and CZ finding out about the problem, and didn’t cause them any more grief than if he HAD just TMed ET. There’s precedent set for that being acceptable; the Haxploitation ePeen has been granted to people who ****ed **** up for the lulz, and HoG himself was granted a unique ePeen for ruining the hell out of IDC

Now, more importantly, I’m curious if Tubs is demodded and banned. After such a boneheaded screwup on his part, the smart thing to do is to take away his abilities and his access until you’ve got things sorted out and figured out if he’s going to be a security risk (And also checked to make sure that he’s not doing anything else that’s blindingly stupid, like setting his pbumword to “111111” or saving his pbumword on a public computer.)

Edit: Balls. My browser was caching pages, so I didn’t see it was resolved. Go me!

SimplyTHEBEST edited this message on 02/01/2009 11:29AM

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
20

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

Yet going for the lulz resulted in ET and CZ finding out about the problem, and didn’t cause them any more grief than if he HAD just TMed ET.

Point of difference: Privately communicating a security hole to ET&CZ creates zero additional risk. Publicly communicating a security hole had the potential to add significant additional risk through copycats.

Because it didn’t actually result in additional risk, I can fully support a temp-ban (which is what has now happened). If it had gone further, either through what HoG or what others did in his footsteps, following into the hole he publicly exposed, then a more severe punishment would have been appropriate.

And of course, now knowing that this email service is intentionally so transparent, I fully agree that Tubs was very irresponsible in continuing to use it after he became a moderator.

All in all, I’m relieved it’s panned out the way it has. If at the end of the day you’ve learned something new (and no one got hurt in the process), then it’s not a bad day.

Something_Wi-
tty

Avatar: 32289 2010-01-24 16:35:06 -0500

[Team Shortbus]

Level 26 Permanoob

OH GOD WHAT THE **** IS THAT MY HEAD JUST GOT DECAPITATED

Bumped because somebody perma’d him again for what looks to be a really stupid reason Log in to see images!

Wylin

Avatar: 19712 Thu Mar 26 21:15:20 -0400 2009
35

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Troll

Causing Jealousy On The Internet On A Daily Basis.

Something_Witty Posted:

Bumped because somebody perma’d him again for what looks to be a really stupid reason Log in to see images!

I might be wrong but I thought the perma got added back this time for posting the covered mammary glands thread with Evil Trout’s account?

specifically this thread: http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/25457?page=1 (which is the best on page 3 IMHO)

Wylin edited this message on 02/03/2009 7:11PM

Something_Wi-
tty

Avatar: 32289 2010-01-24 16:35:06 -0500

[Team Shortbus]

Level 26 Permanoob

OH GOD WHAT THE **** IS THAT MY HEAD JUST GOT DECAPITATED

Wylin Posted:

I might be wrong but I thought the perma got added back this time for posting the covered mammary glands thread with Evil Trout’s account?

specifically this thread: http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/25457?page=1 (which is the best on page 3 IMHO)

I think it’s quite obvious that was a joke and/or people being stupid and paranoid.

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
20

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

Something_Witty Posted:

I think it’s quite obvious that was a joke and/or people being stupid and paranoid.

You mean you think that really was Evil Trout posting those pics with that lame excuse?

Something_Wi-
tty

Avatar: 32289 2010-01-24 16:35:06 -0500

[Team Shortbus]

Level 26 Permanoob

OH GOD WHAT THE **** IS THAT MY HEAD JUST GOT DECAPITATED

Acid Flux Posted:

You mean you think that really was Evil Trout posting those pics with that lame excuse?

Stranger things have happened Log in to see images!

Langston Jon-
es

Avatar: 57155 2011-07-31 00:44:38 -0400
9

[To Your Scattered -
Raepdogs Go
]

Level 35 Camwhore

We are foe.

Yo be honest why did everyone bumume it was h0g? Is that the new scapegoat now? If some random person posts something unusual, is it automatically not them?

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
20

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

Raepdog Posted:

Yo be honest why did everyone bumume it was h0g? Is that the new scapegoat now? If some random person posts something unusual, is it automatically not them?

I guess I bumumed they’d had a way to check that. If it wasn’t him, then, this is kind of what I was talking about before. If you get a rep for being disruptive, then you get rounded up as a Usual Suspect. If HoG had simply Tubmailed the security leak the first time without posting in Tubs account, I’m pretty sure that they wouldn’t have bumumed it was him this time.

Altone

Avatar: Sad Face
5

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 20 Emo Kid

“Moan-a Lisa”

Raepdog Posted:

Yo be honest why did everyone bumume it was h0g? Is that the new scapegoat now? If some random person posts something unusual, is it automatically not them?

This post kinda made sense so therefore it was obviously not Raepdog. Good work H0g.. you almost got us this time!

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
39

[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

Acid Flux Posted:

You mean you think that really was Evil Trout posting those pics with that lame excuse?

It’s obviously the real ET talking about policy now, and he has yet to deny those posts were really him, so yes, I think it really was our beloved site creator trying to win some quick cool points when player-mod relations are sinking. Turning around and re-permabanning handofg0d for it was someone’s bad joke.

Langston Jon-
es

Avatar: 57155 2011-07-31 00:44:38 -0400
9

[To Your Scattered -
Raepdogs Go
]

Level 35 Camwhore

We are foe.

So care to tell us why he was re-perma’d.

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