I have no idea what handofg0d did. I saw the thread in Active Topics or whatever, but didn’t click it. Handofg0d was pretty cool, but “hacking” into an account, especially a mod’s account, should be a bannable offense. Whether it’s perma or temp depends on his record here.

Inertia Posted:

so like

this isn’t a discussion about the game

but i want to know how hog hacked tubs account

edit: he hacked his email account?

Tubs used a @mailinator.com account, and the pbumword recover feature only needed you to fill in the email, go to the email address, and click a link. There was no hacking, just stupidity.

another fascinating story about the relationship between the human element in computing and insecurity.

and the moral is… unban handofg0d.

Jojo Mellow Posted:

This. Seriously, seriously this.

You leveled up :B

Fran Posted:

Yeah. People seem to forget what would’ve happened if he had any malicious thoughts. From the time between his posts, he could’ve wreaked havoc worse than the Bizarro Tom incident.

TUBS is my friend and I won’t deny that. But I won’t defend him if his pbumword was that easy. As I said, I don’t believe in hacking.

we need ppl like hog, who are p good at finding cz’s weaknesses, imo..its good for all parties involved.

SIG-ENABLING MOCK-CONGLER Posted:

we need ppl like hog, who are p good at finding cz’s weaknesses, imo..its good for all parties involved.

So long as he reports it in the proper method, I agree 100%. He should be unbanned, but definitely on thin ice.

Acid Flux Posted:

If you break & enter into someone’s home, you don’t get to claim innocence just because you only messed up the house a little bit.

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But it’s still B&E/trespbuming.

Breaking and entering requires that you gain entry forcibly. If the door wasn’t locked then it’s not B&E. If you left the key under the mat, that’s ALSO not B&E.

Trespbuming still applies though.

Acid Flux Posted:

Even if the padlock on the garage is old & rusty, if you break it off and take stuff out of the garage, that’s a crime.

Tubs was using a MAILINATOR account, and mailinator accounts are PUBLICLY VIEWABLE. For these purposes, we can consider it a “shared account”.

1: HoG made a LEGITIMATE request to the server for a pbumword reset. He did not hack the site, he did not intentionally send it bad data, he simply used the form like any other person would.

2: HoG checked that email account, to which that he had LEGITIMATE access.

3: He used the information in that email to attain access to Tubs’ account.

If you ask somebody for the key and they give it to you, then barring coercion you have done nothing illegal. IIRC, under both US and Canadian law, legitimate possession of a key is considered legitimate access. In other words, if you have a house key that you acquired legally, then it’s not trespbuming to be in that house.

It’s also worth noting that HoG didn’t go around screwing things up when he got in. He played a prank or two and didn’t even TRY to cover it up.

While NORMALLY I would be saying that he should have reported it to ET and not done anything else, this IS FWZ and there IS a culture here to consider.

Taking that into consideration, playing harmless pranks is certainly acceptable behavior. To say otherwise is making things SRS BSNS, and just going to result in a negative community response.

TL;DR: Tubs is a ****up, HoG didn’t do anything too bad, unban him and make Tubs use a REAL email address. Give him like a 1-week temp ban for illegal alting and call it a day.

This is a pretty silly argument. Of course h0g was illegally trying to access tubs’ account. That is against the rules and he should be banned for it.

The only thing that is debatable is how long the ban should be. With his seemingly harmless motives in mind, my vote is for a week then let him come back. Not on thin ice, let him serve the time he knew he was going to get and then be back in good standing.

Be done with it, it was a harmless prank that could have been harmful but wasn’t at all because it was h0g who is awesome.

FAIL Posted:

This is a pretty silly argument. Of course h0g was illegally trying to access tubs’ account. That is against the rules and he should be banned for it.

The only thing that is debatable is how long the ban should be. With his seemingly harmless motives in mind, my vote is for a week then let him come back. Not on thin ice, let him serve the time he knew he was going to get and then be back in good standing.

Be done with it, it was a harmless prank that could have been harmful but wasn’t at all because it was h0g who is awesome.

Upon further reflection, I totally agree. No thin ice (but if I were HoG, I still wouldn’t push it again, and be a bit more… reserved next time.

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