MC Banhammer Posted:

”When a raid group pwns 12 forums, raid group members have to beat forums not already owned by anyone in their raid group in order to get subsequent scoops ”

Is that worded correctly? Because the way you worded it is how it works now, isn’t it? Do you mean to say that once a raid group takes a forum, that forum, if re-taken, does not count towards a new 12?

It’s worded correctly. Currently, if a raid group pwns 12 forums (let’s say 3 users pwn 4 forums each) if one of the users re-pwns some of the forums currently pwned by the other two, for each re-pwn, the raid group would get another scoop. This bug is what will be fixed.

These changes should be fun.

People can still run up big scoop towers on their mains but they are vulnerable to being dogpiled and there is basically no way to do an effective last minute minscoop/shield strategy in the competitive pods (which should encourage euro players).

Switcheroos become valuable again and shields and bumholes lose their primacy which is pretty nice.

No ties will also encourage a more free for all game within klans rather than arranging ties every week.

tame Posted:

Holy crap. So, how many klans knew about that bug?

Not sure. But it’s because of the general interest of klans to keep Domination competitive that we found out about it and are fixing it. I think that’s the important thing to note here Log in to see images!

tame Posted:

Holy crap. So, how many klans knew about that bug?

Pretty much everyone who reads the Domination Forum.

tame Posted:

Holy crap. So, how many klans knew about that bug?

AFAIK, ep2beta knew about it and used it without saying anything (to the public user base – not sure if they ever submitted it as a bug or anything, but I think I remember seeing somewhere that they did) for a few weeks. A little over a week ago, someone (scullyangel, I think?) posted it for general use.

We managed to pull a few raids off in brainfreeze with that strategy, but I think only two – MAYBE three.

Pickled male reproductive organbum Posted:

and for the record, 30 cards is too low Log in to see images!

I was pushing for 40, I was nixed by Management Log in to see images!

We’ll see how this, and the no ties things affects things over the next week or so. These can always be adjusted if we find that this kill klan raiding altogether, that is not my intention.

spacekadt Posted:

AFAIK, ep2beta knew about it and used it without saying anything (to the public user base – not sure if they ever submitted it as a bug or anything, but I think I remember seeing somewhere that they did) for a few weeks. A little over a week ago, someone (scullyangel, I think?) posted it for general use.

We managed to pull a few raids off in brainfreeze with that strategy, but I think only two – MAYBE three.

it was never really a secret. the first day we used it, was noticed what we were doing. i think a week later I let IDC know how it works, tubsweetie was there so she brought it to BF. then scully posted.

Pickled male reproductive organbum Posted:

this no ties thing is death to actual raiding clans. if you aren’t going to let us tie with eachother, and we are all in the same damn bracket, then why even join in the raid?

it goes against individual interests to raid, since you are helping your competitors, but not raiding is detrimental to klan interests, since it leads to boredom, loss of players, and stagnation.

The only solution I can think of is to set up seeding such that any single clan won’t dominate a bracket. a handful of smaller top brackets would be fine.

Well because cooperation even for a smaller piece of the pie is better than trying to go it alone. bumuming even a decent number of people make it to raids then people will still be getting 500-800 scoops on their mains with 3 raids in a week. In contrast even with a ton of choco solo players are largely limited to solo vanilla, pistachio loops and speedruns. Yes big klans will likely fragment in order to maximize self interest but CZ wants more raiding klans rather than one superpowerful one.

Card limits might or might not be too low but this change will encourage raiders to get a handful of switcheroos early on and play them during raids. The rest of the week will be devoted to playing offense cards on your competitors and playing defense when you are in the lead.

Bingebot has also talked about increasing the number of medals each week so the pool might be larger than 4 medals split among one klan.

I wouldn’t want to see the fragmentation of clans, ‘cause frankly, I like these people.

also you had more raiding clans, with 12/12/12

heck even TSB was raiding. now all the fledgling raiders are back at a disadvantage.

the no ties thing might lead to fragmentation of clans, but that will foster an uncomfortable environment, turning friends against friends. more likely people will rather retain friendships, but lose interest in the game, eventually leaving all together.

Or we’ll just end up setting up a system where people get medals one week, and none the next. a trade off, which is pretty boring.

like i said, the way to increase competitiveness is to fix seeding such that there aren’t more than a few clanmates in a single bracket. and now that they have to focus on their mains, alt towers wont dominate the lower brackets. so hopefully other people will get enough medals to fill in the brackets.