My views on the changes :

Limiting card numbers is interesting and may work well, but I think 30 may be too low.

No ties is just gonna fragment raiding klans, which hardly seems fair. Maybe 3-tie max instead of 5? Splitting the top bracket better or limiting numbers in each bracket would help here too.

Solo vanilla changes are just gonna help klan raiders even further. If this becomes permanent you’ll pretty much have to limit to one scoop for solo dom for raiders. Both of these changes together would be vewwy interesting though.

One character per raid seems like an excellent idea, should clear the lower brackets of towers to a certain extent. However, this change wouldn’t sit well with non-raiders not affecting the raid 12 count, since it hurts the effectiveness of people in small klans or unusual timezones. (I bumume alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid?)

No strong feelings on bumhole changes, really, but doesn’t this make the shotgun a bit redundant?

Not too happy with changing 12-12-12 to 12-11-12 etc. Mostly, this’ll just make raids longer without really affecting scoop count, which seemed to always be part of what put off casual players from raiding in the first place. We still had ridiculous ep2beta towers back before the 12-12-12 thing was even figured out.

Not sure about limiting raid size. I personally don’t like it, but I’ve got no good reasons to justify myself.

tame Posted:

Holy crap. So, how many klans knew about that bug?

SotQR, KoLoL, Ep 2 Beta, Brainfreeze. I can’t say how long any of them knew it for, and I know KoLoL never actually used it – they just knew about it because most of them were SotQR members.

MC Banhammer Posted:

PD said pretty much the same thing. I’m honestly curious: Is there anyone not in klan Beta who thinks this too?

I don’t think I’ve ever actually been in a position to tie with a klan member (check out my current domination group, ferinstance), and I still don’t like it very much. I do see your point though, so opinions from elsewhere would be nice.

emojah Posted:

No ties? What are You trying to encourage here?? This week’s theme with no ties only leads to lack of participation in Domination.

How does it lead to lack of participation? it encourages teamwork. It encourages people to make deals – I win this week, you win next week – instead of just competing.

Adeptus Posted:

One character per raid seems like an excellent idea, should clear the lower brackets of towers to a certain extent. However, this change wouldn’t sit well with non-raiders not affecting the raid 12 count, since it hurts the effectiveness of people in small klans or unusual timezones. (I bumume alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid?)

I agree, taking alts/unjoined members out of contribution to the 12 will discourage small clan raiding, and make domination for big clans only.

the 10 members per raid thing would make raiding a small clan only thing. (one alt per raid is a perfect middle ground)

the two in conjunction will make raids pointless.

Changing from 12-12-12 to 12-11-12 will mean unklanned alts will be used again for pushing. Also as mentioned klanned alts to take all the anchors before the raid starts, so all members of the raid can gain the maximum from their visits.

All together it’s quite interesting. The raid size is limited (though multiple raids can take place) but how will certain members justify joining multiple raids, if they can’t contribute directly to them – they’ll have their alts, but they’ll still be reliant on other players to push their totals up. So there’s an added strategic and social element here. A Ronin player with many alts who is well liked could be quite powerful depending on certain factors.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

The raid size is limited (though multiple raids can take place) but how will certain members justify joining multiple raids, if they can’t contribute directly to them – they’ll have their alts, but they’ll still be reliant on other players to push their totals up.

I’m sorry, I honestly didn’t follow this – could you explain it for me?

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

In all honesty I haven’t fully thought this through yet, just wanted to say something so I didn’t feel left out Log in to see images!

Basically a player who wants to earn more vanilla, needs to leech scoops from more raid participants, or join more raids without directly contributing to the scoop count (though alts will still be valuable as a second line depending on how this works in practice)

In general, Raid Admins shouldn’t let people sit in the Raid if they are not contributing. That’s also why I want to implement Raid Invites.

emojah Posted:

isn’t funny how a bug(12/12/12) actually encourage people who dont raid to raid for the first time and enjoys it.

Uh, just to speak for my klan, we didn’t start raiding because of the bug, it’s more because we thought temporarily becoming all serious bus-ness would be funny.

Meeeeee’s idea is worthwhile but only for the small number of people that are friendly with multiple klans and who have enormous amounts of alts to throw at domination.

Scenario

Vuron takes his 12 alts and raids with E2B Wednesday night. He’s going to contribute 4 visits x 12 characters so nobody is going to complain if he has vuron be the alt that is going to join the raid. Vuron gains 200+ scoops from 2-3 hr raid but with the new rule changes doesn’t need to card down as much (woooot!)

The next day joins Brainfreeze for a thursday night raid. He’s willing to use 4 visits x 12 characters. Vuron gains another 200+ scoops.

Friday night he joins E2B (or another klan like TBC) again and just does 4 visits x 12 characters (sure it’s a bit chintzy but he’s still contributing 48 visits which is nothing to sneeze at). He likely gets another 200+ scoops.

Granted he’s unlikely to get 200+ every raid he joins and raiding everyday is seriously insane but for a relatively meager investment of 36 BPs he can pretty much raid every day and collect 1000+ vanilla.

This scenario is highly unlikely as few klans are going to allow a ronin to cycle through 7+ raids in a week but in theory it’s possible.

Etc, etc, etc