spacekadt Posted:

answering a few things and not bothering to quote, because I don’t wanna…

how do we draw the line? what’s trolling? it’s mod tyrrany! – I knew that *if* this thread got a decent response (which it seems that it has), we’d need to further define things. Our task force might just be useful again… but trust that we’ll lay things out as clearly as possible before any rules changes happen. If you really end up hating the way it’s being moderated, there are still all those other RP boards to play around on and continue doing whatever you want to do (within the current rules)

Simple. A new forum, where you can’t break a roleplay. You can’t call a user out, you can’t correctly alt reveal unless the user does it themself (to not exclude someone whose RP was falsely alt revealing, you see), and you just need to stay in character.

For instance, myself and LHO are simplistic trolls, but in the sense that we stir **** without being obvious about it. The RP is to maintain an attitude of which we post. RP extraterritoriality should not be extended to disruptive gimmick alts, such as DraginzSpam. His “roleplay” contributes nothing aside from another annoyance, which while fine in the lawless land, should not be accepted in a “Civil RP” zone.

Master_Troll Posted:

Simple. A new forum, where you can’t break a roleplay. You can’t call a user out, you can’t correctly alt reveal unless the user does it themself (to not exclude someone whose RP was falsely alt revealing, you see), and you just need to stay in character.

For instance, myself and LHO are simplistic trolls, but in the sense that we stir **** without being obvious about it. The RP is to maintain an attitude of which we post. RP extraterritoriality should not be extended to disruptive gimmick alts, such as DraginzSpam. His “roleplay” contributes nothing aside from another annoyance, which while fine in the lawless land, should not be accepted in a “Civil RP” zone.

I am a very serious RPer and I am sorry that you do not see it that way. I can only hope that people like this are not the ones who decide who can post in this “special RP” forum.

Also, draginz are awesome.

DraginzSpam Posted:

I am a very serious RPer and I am sorry that you do not see it that way. I can only hope that people like this are not the ones who decide who can post in this “special RP” forum.

Also, draginz are awesome.

CONTRIBUTION.

You are sincere in your RP, yes. But your RP does not mesh with the community in the way to be described. You do not interact with RP except to post draginz. You do nothing to further a topic, nothing to bumist in a roleplay. You post draginz. It is a gimmick. Should your “RP” involve a way to discuss draginz in a manner that does not make your posts 90% “OMG DRAGINZZZZ CLICK PLZ” then I would be interested in observing your role in a roleplay environment.

emoh unter, that was not a gimmick. That was honest-to-God roleplay, and h0g bumumed the role of an effective new player. I could almost call his roleplay of emohunter to be a case study, and it proved that the community percieves new players as some sort of sgreat times compared to the older ones. megazeroexe said it best to me in IDC, it’s like a form of hazing. New players are hated, causing them to be bumholes, causing them to be hated. Vicious cycle, etc. but it’s important to note that it starts with the older players most of the time and that we need to be tolerant too.

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sdgrbbum09 Posted:

There’s lots of RPing in the Role-playing section, it just so happens that everyone is RPing as a troll.

If only they were so imaginative. Permanoobs RPing trolls, more like.

Master_Troll Posted:

There’s very few “good posters” around due to the new userbase’s inability to mesh with the old userbase, therefore old posters can only really discuss things with old posters. There’s rarely someone in IDC that I don’t recognize that is actually entertaining. They’re lacking something that people from a year or more ago have, for the most part.

This is not exclusive to new users, nor is it a problem in all new users. But it’s evident that somewhere along the line, new users stopped having what old users have. Be it the knowledge that we’re being ironic, or the inability to stylize their posting method, or something. But they don’t have it.

Let’s have a quick recap what it’s like to start posting here: First, anything and everything you say will be met with a uniform response of “shut up, **** off, who are you, nobody asked you, go away.” So you tell yourself ok, this is a game about trolling, they’re being ironic, they don’t really hate me. Maybe you convince yourself, maybe you quit, but you’ll never really know for sure.

Second, you look for funny stuff posted by others. You look, and you look… look some more… keep looking… nope, not a thing. The only humour is old posters making jokes about other old posters whom you don’t know so it’s not funny to you.

Third, you find that it’s a generally accepted truth that all new posters suck so anything posted by someone who hasn’t been around forever is going to be viewed with a predisposition that it’ll suck. Ergo, tough crowd.

So I don’t want to complain but the scene here really isn’t the easiest to get in to.

Mazzon Posted:

First, anything and everything you say will be met with a uniform response of “shut up, **** off, who are you, nobody asked you, go away.”

Beg to disagree. I have several RP alts with whom I post with varying frequency; none have seriously been told to **** off. Maybe I should post more with them I guess, but I really don’t think everybody is as hostile as everybody thinks.

**** is meta

also this reminds me of the comic book industry for some reason

I don’t think it will change anything

Master_Troll Posted:

There’s very few “good posters” around due to the new userbase’s inability to mesh with the old userbase, therefore old posters can only really discuss things with old posters. There’s rarely someone in IDC that I don’t recognize that is actually entertaining. They’re lacking something that people from a year or more ago have, for the most part.

This is not exclusive to new users, nor is it a problem in all new users. But it’s evident that somewhere along the line, new users stopped having what old users have. Be it the knowledge that we’re being ironic, or the inability to stylize their posting method, or something. But they don’t have it.

As one of those users wanting yet unable to merge into RP, I feel I can shed some light on this phenomenon.

We don’t find RP funny.

My background prior to Forumwarz was in anime forums, which is a farcry from the 4chan /b/ or SomethingAwful background of most of the early users here. Even with my imageboard experience is uniquely /a/, so what specialty humour I can contribute doesn’t appeal to 98% of this forum. Like with 4chan, much of the early Forumwarz culture appears to have spun off SomethingAwful and evolved into something new and different. I can definitely say Forumwarz is a different place altogehter, with eerie hints of familiarity here and there.

Once that uniqueness has set in, though, you’re not going to find many people attracted to web culture parody site who are going to have a sudden, intuitive grasp of RP’s humour. They didn’t develop it, and unless they’re newbies who lack experience with web culture in the first place (i.e. the bemoaned, ‘people who don’t realize we’re parodying trolls becoming real trolls’ ), they’ve already got their own sense of funny, but can’t integrate it into RP. It’s Flamebait equivalent of mbumive downvoting.

Sure, it is quality control. But it’s only preserving the quality, preventing improvement (or at least change) as much as preventing decay. Although decay happens naturally without an influx of fresh content, which is why 4chan boards have festered into pits of depravity.

I’ve posted something that got a laugh in RP, but I didn’t really find it funny, I was merely imitating RP style. At the point where I’m not even entertaining myself with what I say, I don’t really feel it’s worth trying to integrate.

I guess most of you don’t know me. I do an awful lot of lurking and not an awful lot of posting. Part of the reason is that I’m not a great conversationalist, but the other is I’m a huge coward and you guys scare me Log in to see images!.

However, I am a huge RP-fabulous person, and I do have a couple of alts I’ve never really used, which are RP-able. The reason I haven’t really touched the RP forums is because a lot of threads seem to go down like this:

Post 1: An attempt to be witty

Post 2: Wow, quit being so unfunny

Post x: Flamebate isn’t as good as it used to be / Flamebate is dying.

The fact is, that everybody seems to be brewing on Flamebate’s death that new RPers will struggle to break through and that old ones will get tired of it and quit. I know you might not like to hear it, but from this outsiders persepective, you’re killing yourselves. Even an unfunny post can be RPed off in a better fashion than “Stop being unfunny.”

I don’t think a new forum will fix it. Maybe it will in the short term, but I think it is inevitable that it will become the same as the old RP forums. I think the only thing that will fix it (like the only thing that will fix INCIT) is that the community must come together in an attempt to fix it. If you want better RPing, you must do better RPing.

There is only so much the admins can do, such as providing a place and rules – however they can not provide quality RPers. That’s you – the userbase’s job! You have to be in there RPing, and encoraging others to RP.