Neona Posted:

it’s a game, people. You’re supposed to play it, not let it play you.

Sorry, I will remember to cheat my way to stuff instead of playing it honestly next time.

DOPE-HARDCORE-0 Posted:

Could be worse, could’ve used the   on something useful instead of something as udderly (Log in to see images!

What would have been useful?

was Posted:

What would have been useful?

The headset?

wowo i hope they know those happidexes are a lot cheaper in teh drug store!!!

Nicco Posted:

Why did they limited the buyout price but not the bid price? Nobody’s gonna buy some weak drugs for 5 million flezz anyway.

Because, to reverse the logic, no one would have sold a pink floyd if the auction was limited to 303,000  .

A limited bid price just makes all the rare moar files not worth selling. What would you limit the price to? 1000x (303,000   for pink floyd, pre-adjustment). All that would mean is people would have been swapping Versnatche for 500,000,000   (or whatever moderately expensive store item), and not selling floyds. Alternately, everything rare can be ridiculously expensive, and not worth using because of repair costs.

Limited bid prices means not selling rare items, and having an auction site full of things you can buy or find easily. While that might be great for newbies and people who haven’t bought Episode 2, it’d be pretty boring for everyone else. Taking advantage of differences in Frugality is cute and all, but not the most interesting part of an auction site.

If there was some sort of ‘easy solution’ to auction fixing, I’m sure Ebay would love to hear about it, ‘cause they certainly haven’t figured it out yet.

Evil Trout Posted:

Also in case you didn’t notice by clicking around auctions, I have logs on who bids on what and who wins what auction. There’s nothing stopping me from reversing any major flezz transfers. I’m not sure what I’m going to be working on today yet, but I have a feeling that some people will find a lot of their flezz gone very soon.

Does that mean we have some hope of getting all the lost proxy bid bug flezz back, too? Log in to see images!

Evil Trout Posted:

Remind me when your perfect Internet game is up so I can play it, thanks.

No, I won’t do my own browser game. I feel that there are too many of them at the moment (many of them being bad) and I predict the big browser-game companies here in Germany (like Bigpoint) to get into trouble in a few years. Log in to see images!

Seriously: No need to play dumb with me, Mr. Trout. You had to be aware of the fact that it would influence the outcome of auctions if they wouldn’t be anonymous. At the latest when you implemented the display of the seller, you had to ask yourself in which direction to go. Obviously you decided to make them non-anonymous and there has to be a reasoning behind it. That’s all I want to know about. You won’t make me believe that you were like “Oh wow, there are people using Kyoubai for flezz transactions… now that’s totally unexpected! Log in to see images!”

Auction houses are meant to be fun, not spoiled or taken advantage of. Log in to see images!

Nicco Posted:

Okay, so there could be bid limits on most cheap items and no bid limits on expensive items. (Pink Floyd, Earbleeders, ****.MILF, etc.)

When you think about is, is there any legitimate reason to auction **** like Happidex besides artificially pumping up your Total Auctions Sold and to launder flezz? Maybe just disallow certain things to be auctioned off.

Nicco Posted:

Okay, so there could be bid limits on most cheap items and no bid limits on expensive items. (Pink Floyd, Earbleeders, ****.MILF, etc.)

How about bid limits on purchasable items and easy-to-get .moar files, and no limits on unpurchasable and hard-to-get .moar files?

Hackmeister Posted:

How would anonymity have helped at all with a very clearly defined scheme like this? It’s easy to isolate a set of items that no one else is selling and use them to launder money right now. Yes, if it was anonymous, a clever individual might spot it and interrupt, stealing some of the flezz for themselves, but for the most part, an organized group could easily manage the same feat even without being able to see who is putting what auction up.

“Guys, okay we’re going to put 10 happydexes up starting at 10 pm EST through 10:05 est on 12 hour auctions.”

Man, the anonymity would’ve made that manuver so much harder to do…

This was already adressed in previous threads aswell. You could prevent this from happening by not opening auctions immediately, but only at certain times (for example once every three hours). Of course, this would affect the outcome of all auctions because they’d end at the same time, but that doesn’t sound too bad for me. Another solution to avoid this would be that they open at random (e.g. at a random time between 1h and 3h after the auction was set up).

Just to make this clear: I’m aware that this suggestion would require a lot of effort and couldn’t be implemented short-term. The point is: It was obvious that flezz transactions were going to happen the way Kyoubai was implemented.

//For clarification: Of course, the seller wouldn’t know which auction is his aswell. He would never get any link.

Evil Trout Posted:

Wait, as far as I know nobody lost flezz due to the proxy thing. It was just hard to bid up to the magical unknown highest bidder.

There was a bug with auctions not selling if you were the highest bidder, but I refunded those who submitted reports.

Please see my bug report from scully_bot where BidSquid took total bid, but only delivered the high bid to the seller. The bug is still there, or was a day ago. (Although maybe that is because it is to be reversed.)

Also, there is no point in anonymous auctions since url’s for each auction are unique. Everything that has been done could be done very simply by saying “Here’s the link.”

As mentioned in the let’s retire the flezz leader board thread – there was a solidly closed economy before the auction house. We now have an open situation. Frankly, I recommend simply making flezz transfer a legal thing. Policing this crap is going to horribly time consuming and wickedly pointless, since it can be done on a much smaller scale over time and no one is going to scream foul play.