Aggie Posted:

Seriously, I was one of the people that got screwed out of a medal. Big deal, you say? Au contraire; it was going to be my first medal. I just started getting into Dominations because of my Klan leader’s encouragement and it took a lot of work for us to get a Klan raid organized so we all managed to get SOMETHING done. What was the result of all our work and toils? Getting zapped at the last possible second, making all our efforts worth absolutely NOTHING.

I understand that people that have been playing longer would (and should) be able to easily shrug off these kinds of shenanigans with an ‘oh well’ cavalier attitude, but for newer players such as myself, this was an extremely frustrating thing to have happen. Like rohina said, I thought I was competing in a fair contest, not one that was going to be cheated at. You say that what you did was for the good of everyone? Fine. Rest on your laurels, knowing that you likely just ****ed off a number of newer players and quite possibly discouraged many of them from playing again.

In fact, this whole cheating thing has made me re-evaluate not only my decision to play Dominations but also to reconsider my monetary donation to the game. Why should I pay good money to support a fun game that’s likely just going to be poisoned by people cheating “to prove a point?”

Like I said earlier, rest on your laurels, ladies and gentlemen. You’ve just effectively nuked future donations from this user. Congratulations.

Would you mind telling us which bracket you were in?

Aggie Posted:

Team Archon.

http://www.forumwarz.com/domination/archive/2008-04-02

Correct? I see your name there, so I bumume it is.

there wasn’t even anyone using an exploit in there. last minute carding is just the way the game works. boo friggin hoo.

Velveteen Posted:

there wasn’t even anyone using an exploit in there. last minute carding is just the way the game works. boo friggin hoo.

Let’s not be hasty. I think Aggie should explain why she feels that someone was exploiting, and furthermore why she feels that it was a member of Knights of LOL. The scoreboard may not say everything.

Aggie Posted:

Ahhhh, I see. I apologize; I just bumumed when I heard of last-minute Domination Card shenanigans (and since it appeared that was exactly what had happened to me), I just bumumed it was from the culprits responsible for the other raids that were apparently exactly alike. My mistake. Like I said, I am a newer player to Dominations, and jumped to conclusions. For that, I am sorry.

However, my point remains the same. How do I know that person (or Klan) wasn’t in on this exploit exploiting? How do I know that person wasn’t doing that to ‘prove a point’ as well? When there’s a history of cheating happening at the exact same time in the exact same manner, it’s reasonable to bumume that it’s from the same source.

It’s fine; I simply will not play Dominations and will not be donating in the future. I am, after all, only one person so it won’t matter that much. The fact that this whole situation bothered me so much is an indication of how much I had actually started to enjoy this game. I can consider this whole thing a wake-up call, and one I’m glad I received now rather than later.

Is it legal for CZ to take money from people who can’t read?

1. You are crying over shinies. You sure you aren’t an Emo?

2. The exploit, as said probably 20 times in the thread, was blown open to demonstrate it existed.

3. I cheat.

Wet Sprocket, the point I was making was that these shenanigans could very easily have frustrated and discouraged new players from wanting to participate because of the fear that they’ll once again be victims of another bout of cheating like this. Why would anyone continue to play a game that seems to be stacked against them from the very beginning?

I was liking it; it was fun. However, how do I know this won’t happen again for similar reasons? You know, someone finds an exploit that actively damages other players instead of merely profiting themselves? I don’t know if you play Kingdom of Loathing, but there was an infinite meat bug exploit a long time ago that was aggravating because not only did it allow players to VASTLY increase their resources, but it allowed them to purchase items they never would have otherwise been able to afford in order to get the edge in PvPing against people who did not use said exploit. It’s cheating and it makes the game less fun for a lot of people.

Aggie Posted:

Wet Sprocket, the point I was making was that these shenanigans could very easily have frustrated and discouraged new players from wanting to participate because of the fear that they’ll once again be victims of another bout of cheating like this. Why would anyone continue to play a game that seems to be stacked against them from the very beginning?

Luckily, the “victims” of this exploit were almost entirely in the upper brackets, so they’d already medaled in Domination at least once. Just from looking at your bracket, I’m fairly certain that nobody was using the exploit, or at least not to a degree that would actually impact gameplay.

Aggie Posted:

You know, someone finds an exploit that actively damages other players instead of merely profiting themselves? I don’t know if you play Kingdom of Loathing, but there was an infinite meat bug exploit a long time ago that was aggravating because not only did it allow players to VASTLY increase their resources, but it allowed them to purchase items they never would have otherwise been able to afford in order to get the edge in PvPing against people who did not use said exploit. It’s cheating and it makes the game less fun for a lot of people.

I definitely know what you mean. I stopped playing KoL due to the infinite meat bug, because it made my hours of efforts cornering the market the week before meaningless. The same kind of thing directly applies to Domination for many players, especially in this case but to some extent with the recent adoption of large-scale Vanilla raids. I think it’s been a few weeks of frustrating gameplay for a lot of people. I don’t have a solution for the problem, and I don’t know that there is one.

Arktor Posted:

Allow me to pose a question to you: If you agree that fixing exploits is a good idea, and it seems that you do, then what fault lies with a harmless demonstration that results in a fix?

The watchword here is “harmless.” While the members that took place in the stunt seem to feel it was harmless, that’s a difficult point to prove.

Sancdar Posted:

The watchword here is “harmless.” While the members that took place in the stunt seem to feel it was harmless, that’s a difficult point to prove.

I suppose that is a valid point. I had not considered the possibility of emotional trauma caused by seeing people with 200 cards.

Aggie Posted:

The fault is in that your method caused “harm” to other players by preventing them from getting medals they otherwise could have gotten were it not for your cheating. I really don’t think there would have been a way for you and your Klan to announce to everyone that you were planning on doing that, but a token effort would have been nice and would have solidified your position that you were doing it for reasons other than personal gain. Did you (or any of your Klan members) post a thread telling people you would be purposely using an exploit in a very visible fashion? The fact that you told no one beforehand of your plan really makes it appear moreso that you’re just claiming the high road now that you’ve gotten caught in the act.

Would you please calm down and stop being so aggressive? You still have not stated any basis by which you feel that we prevented others from getting medals.

I think you’re being more aggressive than Aggie here. It’s clear how the stunt could have prevented people from getting medals. By securing large numbers of scoops/minscoops and gunning down many other people with free cards (and wasting their cards with free shields, I guess), they don’t have a chance to compete for medals.

Arktor Posted:

I suppose that is a valid point. I had not considered the possibility of emotional trauma caused by seeing people with 200 cards.

Judging by your sarcasm here, you don’t agree.