The fact that people are saying, “I agree with that choice, but not that choice” is a strong indication that a fairly decent cross section (considering the small size of the group) was achieved.

Remember, you as an individual are not specifically a cross-section of the community.

More importantly, before you gripe about not being represented, first you need to point out exactly what decisions were made that you disagreed with. So far, the changes that have been made have been popular ones. Yes, some people dislike certain changes,but that’s going to happen in any community.

Finally, consider the fact that these changes actually did factor in community member input. In most forums I’ve been to, it’s entirely a closed-session decision making process. That’s why every was surprised to hear that about half of the group were players, and not Mods/Admin. So, basically, the complaint here isn’t really about a lack of representation, per se.

1337xxxxxxxxxlolololololololololxxxxxxxxx1337 Posted:

I wasn’t surprised to hear about this at all, I just didn’t know before.

I think there is actually a consensus on the people we don’t think should be there. Fran’s list reflects my own opinions, even though Fran’s and my opinions differ other times, etc.

Which is kind of funny, since no one was required to use their Mains in this Task Force.

3 of the “average joe” task force members are active RP section posters. 2 others occasionally and infrequently post. The rest I would have a hard time making a case for actually being a part of the Flamebate “community”. You imply that some of these are alts of well-known users, but how are we to glean that information out of a list?

I’m sure they do just fine at debating/discussing changes, but I think the team would be better served having a few more active and involved posters. If this was a site-wide task force, fine. But more flamebaters should be on the flamebate task force.

Edit: Just pretend I said “One time Randy Beamon” in front of this.

I don’t know what issues were brought up by them that I agree with.

I never said any of those people represent me. Kind of the opposite, in fact, when I said to add one of the Hob’s. I said some of those people I can understand being in the list, but many of them I cannot.

Let me get this straight in my head:

At least 2 months ago, this thing called the “Task Force” was started, which consists of the moderating team and a bunch of other normal players who actively post in Flamebate. The “Task Force”’s job is to come up with new rules that would help the community, and to debate about the state of current rules.

If so, is the moderating part of our community really doing their job? Why would we even need such a thing? Are the normal moderators really out of touch with the community or something? Do they not pay attention to what goes on and what could be done about it?

Sancdar Posted:

From what I’ve heard, many of the moderators rely on reported posts to let them know when something needs their attention. I would too, reading everything on Flamebate would take excessive amounts of time and turn me suicidal. I also bumume that at least as many players as mods have the rules fairly nailed down even if just to know how to best get around them, so consulting the player base is not a bad idea.

It doesn’t surprise me in the least that the apprentice group and the task force have a lot of overlap. CZ was apparently looking for people who can express their opinions and carry on an intelligent discussion without excess trolling in both groups. I personally don’t know much about Bashy, but I can understand why someone who gets a lot of buildr submissions in would get picked as a person that understands the larger community and their humor, for example.

That’s the thing; it’s not that CZ picked top buildrs to be a part of this task force, it’s that intelligent, well-spoken, creative players typically tend to be good at ForumBuildr too. That’s the same reason the Apprentice team has a lot of faces in this rules committee too.

What I don’t really get is how anyone is complaining; in all honesty, I can’t remember ever being involved on a game/forum that directly let users help discuss and implement rules and onsite policies.

You guys are ****ing about “not being represented,” would you have preferred there be NO players and let the mods and admins “do all the representing?” Cuz that’s your other option. Personally, I think we’ve accomplished a good amount, from letting shock be postable in RP to this new community ban measure, so I don’t see why there’s so much bumhurt going on in this thread.

Maybe next time, CZ can just involve no players in their site policy discussions, and we can see how much better that works out.

I would point out that this task force has at times been pretty divisive and challenging. Finding a middle ground is hard.

Shii Posted:

Personally, I think we’ve accomplished a good amount, from letting shock be postable in RP

That was actually a really bad idea. You’re taking credit for that? You sure you don’t wanna take that back? I always liked it when people had to post links to shock pictures- I don’t really appreciate the fact that I can now be bumaulted with pics of harlequin babies or people with the skin chewed off their faces in ANY thread on the green side of the board. It really ****ing sucks. If I wanted to look at shock pics I’d go look them up on my own, thanks.

Shii Posted:

...to this new community ban measure

I’m p sure more people than just whoever is on the mod-member relations team had input on that. In fact, I’m positive of it:

http://forumwarz.com/discussions/view/38857-so-something-happened-earlier-and-apparently-it-s-up-to-either-me-or-hobart-to-bring-up-these-things

http://forumwarz.com/discussions/view/38869-petition-to-make-a-new-kind-of-ban-that-only-affects-flamebate

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First of all I don’t have any problem with anyone that was included, partly because I don’t know who their alts are. And frankly I am a little glad that someone like generichaxor isn’t there. But I find it unfortunate that some of those that I think could have been ideal choices, like BirdofPrey, have for all intents and purposes left the community.

I also want to add my nomination for Hobart to be a member.

I can only bumume that FAIL and Hand of God turned you down. It makes the most sense that way.

Fingerz Posted:

I’m p sure more people than just whoever is on the mod-member relations team had input on that. In fact, I’m positive of it:

http://forumwarz.com/discussions/view/38857-so-something-happened-earlier-and-apparently-it-s-up-to-either-me-or-hobart-to-bring-up-these-things

http://forumwarz.com/discussions/view/38869-petition-to-make-a-new-kind-of-ban-that-only-affects-flamebate

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I personally disliked the idea, and rejected it. TUBSWEETIE did too. The only reason I’m mentioning it is because the vast majority of the community, at the time we were discussing it, seemed to want shock to be allowable.

I don’t like having to turn my images to thumbnails just to get away from pictures I don’t want to see. it sucks.

But you have to compromise when you’re trying to work with a group, and since I was in the minority, I sucked it up and dealt. So please, when you point fingers for that, point it at the community, because it wasn’t our idea.

Furthermore, while community bans have been brought up in public forum, we got on CZ hard in the last few days after was & Hobart’s great thread to put in place NOW, because there was no point in waiting and it was extremely necessary.

It really sucks when you are willing to blame us for everything you don’t like, but refuse to believe us when we say we helped make the good stuff happen.

If you’d like, I could quit posting on here entirely (since God knows none of the others are) and just let you bumume whatever the hell you’d like about the team at your leisure; p much seems like that’s how it’s going already.