How did he ask the question in a ‘trolling’ manner?

Crinkz Posted:

I wanted to send him a tubmail, but it says he doesn’t exist. </3

rbux84@tubmail.co.jp

What part of this is ‘trollish’?

The title of the thread was a question.

And even if it didn’t have a question, a thread doesn’t require a question to be a valid discussion thread. As I saw it, it was simply an initial post in regards to discussing why Ravit’s tubmail address was invalid.

Unless we’re banning people for having crappy threads now?

TBQH, Neona’s Blackjack bot deserves more of a ban than that question. Log in to see images!

Czarnian bumbumin Posted:

The title of the thread was a question.

And even if it didn’t have a question, a thread doesn’t require a question to be a valid discussion thread. As I saw it, it was simply an initial post in regards to discussing why Ravit’s tubmail address was invalid.

Unless we’re banning people for having crappy threads now?

Are you saying that it is a valid game discussion thread to ask why a fictional character does not exist and does not have a way to be contacted?

twas edited this message on 12/14/2008 5:33PM

was Posted:

Are you saying that it is a valid game discussion thread to ask why a fictional character does not exist and does not have a way to be contacted?

A) If a player came in here and asked why he couldn’t Tubmail The_**** with suggestions about how to improve INCIT, is that automatically RPing, or might that be a valid question, especially from a newbie?

B) In the context of the game, the character (Ravit) exists.

Just as you can add a certain NPC to your Friend list and receive an in-game benefit for doing so, why is it unreasonable to bumume that Tubmailing an NPC might yield a similar benefit?

Or perhaps what Crinkz meant to suggest is that Ravit is actually a bot.

For every single perspective you can present that suggests he was RPing, I can present a perspective that suggests he was discussing a valid game-related issue.

In other words, that part of the debate is a stalemate. It is unclear whether or not Crinkz was RPing.

Now, as far as how it should have been moderated, by the moderators own standards, the thread should have simply been moved and, at best, the player should have been warned.

If Crinkz has received warnings in the past for a similar offense and was advised to not be ambiguous with his posts in GD (i.e., told to be perfectly clear that he wasn’t RPing), then this ban is legit. But otherwise, it is not.

Czarnian bumbumin Posted:

A) If a player came in here and asked why he couldn’t Tubmail The_**** with suggestions about how to improve INCIT, is that automatically RPing, or might that be a valid question, especially from a newbie?

B) In the context of the game, the character (Ravit) exists.

Just as you can add a certain NPC to your Friend list and receive an in-game benefit for doing so, why is it unreasonable to bumume that Tubmailing an NPC might yield a similar benefit?

Or perhaps what Crinkz meant to suggest is that Ravit is actually a bot.

For every single perspective you can present that suggests he was RPing, I can present a perspective that suggests he was discussing a valid game-related issue.

In other words, that part of the debate is a stalemate. It is unclear whether or not Crinkz was RPing.

Now, as far as how it should have been moderated, by the moderators own standards, the thread should have simply been moved and, at best, the player should have been warned.

If Crinkz has received warnings in the past for a similar offense and was advised to not be ambiguous with his posts in GD (i.e., told to be perfectly clear that he wasn’t RPing), then this ban is legit. But otherwise, it is not.

Did you read his second post?

TUBSWEETIE Posted:

MCB’s quote about putting threads in the wrong place doesn’t apply when the poster has 6 previous bans for ‘out of place’ posts.

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I’m going to have to disagree with the ban as well, although not quite for the reasons provided here.

The address provided is a “real” address. Not in that it’s currently in use, but in that it’s a domain which could be used IRL. It’s considered bad form to do things like that for much the same reason as it’s considered bad form to put a VALID phone number or email address in a TV show or movie. (Psst: It’s because idiots call the number or email the account, and then people get ****ed.)

Given CZ’s love of Easter Eggs, I don’t think that anybody can blame him for sending an email to the address to see if CZ was employing some nifty metagame stuff. You know how kids send letters to Santa? What’s to keep CZ from getting that address and having somebody play the role of Rivit for answering emails?

I also can’t fault him for going on the Game Discussion forums and talking about it, since that’s a valid response to the situation. He thought he found an Easter Egg, it turned out to just be a waste of time, disappointment and discussion ensues, etc…

So, why did CZ pick a valid address for Rivit’s address? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to make the address something invalid, like @tubmail.co.jp.sux at the very least? o.0

If he’d been banned 6 times before this, then there you go…

Laguna Posted:

If he’d been banned 6 times before this, then there you go…

I would wholeheartedly agree if I thought he was really trying to RP or troll instead of just pointing out that he can’t mail an in game character.

I’m sure if we waited long enough Crinks would have done something that would actually deserve the 2 week ban either way, so I don’t really care, and our mods are human, so sometimes they can view things differently than us, so I support them.

Wylin edited this message on 12/15/2008 2:57AM