SG94 Posted:

Try to keep the conversation constructive and civil.

I have been. However, I reserve the right to mock a person for accusing me of ripping something common off of a specific game.

Possibly a Cabbage Posted:

I think how much of a good idea this is depends on what CZ’s plans with episode 3 (and 4 and 5, and so on) are. If episode 3 is written for level 35ish characters, introducing a means by which people are constantly reincarnating between then and now is kind of silly, since inevitably people are going to be caught at a low level when episode 3 rolls around.

Episode 3 isn’t going to be a surprise. Everybody will know when it’s coming, just like this time.

Even if it WAS a surprise, then I’d just say “Sucks to be them”. It’s not like it takes THAT long to hit 35, after all.

Possibly a Cabbage Posted:

I really think Evil Trout would prefer that if you wanted to play the game as another clbum, you throw some money his way, and probably doesn’t want to have to balance the episode 3 content to be interesting both to people who work their way up there on their first playthrough and to people who have spent months grinding and reincarnating to become incomparable badbumes.

I *did* mention a bp cost for clbum switches, and I gave a few very good reasons why it *should* be cheaper than alts.

As far as grinding and becoming badbumes, I don’t think there’s much cause for concern. People were able to turn themselves into incomparable badbumes in Ep 1, as shown by “The June Twenty-Second Incident” ePeen. Those people were fully capable of blazing through Episode 2 with ease. Heck, I wasn’t even CLOSE to the level cap when Episode 2 hit, and it didn’t cause me any trouble.

If somebody wants to spend months grinding reincarnations for a bunch of +1 bonuses, more power to ‘em.

Remort mechanics are

A) not cool as they just reward long-time players with additional bonuses over and over- considering how easy it is to finish episode 1 and 2 currently this would basically create a system where a handful of long-time players (like SG94, Scully, and Myself) are simply competing to race through the content over and over in order to have the best overall character.

B) Not really valuable with all the current endgame options. Sure domination is currently dominated by a handful of active players who have invested a huge sum of BP in alts but that can always be changed to make domination more competitive.

C) Remort systems are not remotely original. Basically it would just be stealing game content from KoL. Honestly if you want to play KoL then play KoL don’t try to transform another game into it.

The problem is that unless you allow people to carry over some things like flezz or .moar files people will be losing significant number of turns in return for a relatively small benefit. Thus you’d have to create some sort of e-peen system to reward remorting such as an e-peen every 4 times you beat episode 2.

That way a small number of players will likely decide they would rather spend time chasing remort epeens instead of domination based epeens.

Another problem is that a good deal of the current power comes from having access to high-end equipment and .moar files. It takes a significant investment in time and visits in order to get those benefits and few people are going to want to give up their rare .moar files in return for a small bonus to base stats.

I agree that the idea shouldn’t be thrown out just because it’s been done before, but +1 stats wouldn’t be worth it, whether one was into Domination or not. FW is great on story, but a bit weak on weak on SP gameplay depth. I think CZ would have to do a lot of tweaking to make a reincarnation theme even remotely popular.

The other thing to consider is that KoL PvP sucks bum, largely because their options for improvement are gimped by power creep from SP play. FW has a decent MP thing goin on…

Vuron Posted:

Another problem is that a good deal of the current power comes from having access to high-end equipment and .moar files. It takes a significant investment in time and visits in order to get those benefits and few people are going to want to give up their rare .moar files in return for a small bonus to base stats.

Level reqs & Ppwn Shoppe hock slips would solve this, but I don’t see that’d be enough to draw a crowd to play the same clbum more than once.

Vuron Posted:

The problem is that unless you allow people to carry over some things like flezz or .moar files people will be losing significant number of turns in return for a relatively small benefit.

That’s one of the reasons why people who like the endgame aren’t going to be all that interested in this, and why bonus-grinding isn’t that big of a deal.

Vuron Posted:

Thus you’d have to create some sort of e-peen system to reward remorting such as an e-peen every 4 times you beat episode 2.

Why?

Perhaps there should be ePeens for the first remort, as well as for clearing episode 1 with every clbum, and episode 2 with every clbum, as well as ePeens for clearing an episode with all clbumes, but I see no reason why players should be rewarded just for grinding in and of itself.

That would work out to be 1 for first remort, 6+1 for episode 1, and 6+1 for episode 2 for a total of 15 ePeen, requiring at least 6 remorts to attain. The value of these epeen would be reasonably low, since almost one in four people would have one of the episode/clbum clear badges simply as a result of playing through the game once. The only ones that would have any sort of value would be the permanoob, re-re, all-clbum-clear, and first remort badges. Since people would EARN the permanoob and re-re badges either way, that brings it down the the remort-specific ones: The first remort and the all-clbum-clear ePeens.

Of course, that’s just if you wanted to add ePeens for it.

Vuron Posted:

That way a small number of players will likely decide they would rather spend time chasing remort epeens instead of domination based epeens.

That would be their choice, and that would also mean that they were glad to be given the choice to do so.

Vuron Posted:

Another problem is that a good deal of the current power comes from having access to high-end equipment and .moar files. It takes a significant investment in time and visits in order to get those benefits and few people are going to want to give up their rare .moar files in return for a small bonus to base stats.

I suppose that CZ could allow people to store .moar files away until you hit some predetermined level and regain access to them. That seems to be a reasonable option.

Guys KoL invented the New Game+ we can’t implement something like that it’d be copying them.

1338h4x Posted:

Guys KoL invented the New Game+ we can’t implement something like that it’d be copying them.

Guys Chrono Trigger invented the DK we can’t implement something like that it’d be copying them.

Douchous Baggus Posted:

Guys, Legend of Zelda invented the new game+ we can’t implement something like that it’d be copying them.

Guys, KoL is the basis of all Browser games, anything we do would be copying them.

XSS Code Posted:

Also.

Yes, that was me ripping you off. Intentionally, might I add.

Veer Posted:

there’s a difference between Mbum Effect and Forumwarz

in that one game is nonlinear and large and expansive

and the other is linear as hell with little to no choice and only one difficulty: v easy

a replay mechanic for forumwarz is a stupid idea

Why exactly is it stupid? I for one would like to replay it for something to do since I’m not a domwhore.