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	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes spacekadt Posted: I get that… but look at BoD for instance (god I can’t believe I’m encouraging something that helps them Log in to see images!). They have 4 or 5 people that reliably do raids. They’re a small klan with one major focus. With the changes as they are, there’s NO point in them continuing to raid. Brainfreeze and GGM both got the Lowest Standards peen in the last week. With us being two of the largest klans and still having a problem getting that many individual bodies together in the same place at the same time without the use of alts, I don’t see klan raiding happening much in the future if this stays in place. I’m not by any means saying it needs to stay in place, I’m saying, what will stop leeching? You shouldn’t be able to get scoops for nothing. And the no alts rule has been like it is for some time, the recent changes shouldn’t have affected any klan that used alts to raid, because they couldn’t Log in to see images! (view post)	02/02/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes spacekadt Posted: The main problem with not letting alts into the same raid is that this completely screws smaller klans. Hell, even in Brainfreeze we almost never come up with 13 distinct people ready to raid at any given point. Well the reason we banned it is because people would stack all their alts into a raid and use their alts to get scoops for a main while the main leeched. I could do something ridiculous like if you leave a raid you lose your visits and you need to join a raid with at least 4 visits. That way you wouldn’t want to just leech. Leeching is the reason for most of these restrictions. (view post)	02/02/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes scullyangel Posted: It (raiding) should offer a decent benefit, but should not offer a benefit so overwhelming that every other scoop earning method is pointless. I couldn’t agree more on this point, and that is my goal from all of this. scullyangel Posted: – Keep the 13 per raid cap with only those joined having an impact on the forums held count. There simply needs to be a hard cap on the number of raid scoops that can be earned. If there isn’t it creates the situation where no other scoop earning method matters. What kind of cap would you suggest? Is 144 fair? That would be 2 times the potential max that you can get for soloing (72). I hate the idea of an arbitrary cap, but if this is the only solution to avoid all these other ridiculous rules, then I’m open to it. If there’s a cap then why should we have a limit at all? Why can’t we just let anyone join? The reason that I put all these rules in is to act as a cap, but if we just put a cap, then the rules aren’t really needed IMO. scullyangel Posted: – Keep it so that disabled characters cannot impact the forums. People shouldn’t be able to get around the limits by flinging on visits from characters not joined to a raid. On the flip side, characters that aren’t participating in Dom shouldn’t be able to interrupt raiding either. The limit forces choices and sacrifice and strategy. Those are all awesome things from a gaming perspective. It’s basically like this today, except that noobs without scoops can pwn forums. So for now I’d likely leave this as is. scullyangel Posted: – Get rid of the 15 minute join window. I’ve raided in pretty much every klan that has raided. The main reason people who are interested don’t raid is because of schedule conflicts. After work traffic or whatever should not mean the player can’t join. That whole idea is just silly and I don’t see the point in it. Yeah I’d have to agree with this. scullyangel Posted: – Allow alts to join without earning raid scoops. First alt to join earns klan vanilla scoops, any others do not. Yes, this means that people can feed a main, but when those characters sacrifice vanilla and most times pistachio, they are making a choice that those characters, one of their chosen 5, aren’t going to be medaling. If they don’t medal competitively they will not be in the upper brackets to help support klannies with crowd control – it is a fair trade off. I don’t know if I agree with this. It’s not really a trade off because I can just do this with one alt one week and the other the next to medal both and I feel that doing this would keep them up in the top brackets. Maybe I’m wrong here. It just seems like too much trouble to allow alts and limit who gets what. I’m thinking we should leave it as is for now. scullyangel Posted: – Allow klan raiders to earn full value solo vanilla within a raid. This would help eliminate the idea that only those with alts can contribute effectively. It could mean that as few as 4 players without alts working together could benefit from a raid, while a full 13 would see a very decent return on their time investment. It would also bring some skill and decision making to the whole situation rather than having a “feed Denture chat” mentality that makes raiding monotonous. Yeah I’d agree with this too. Hopefully it would also reduce people wanting to leech, since they could get their 72 solo vanilla scoop during a raid – it might even be easier to do so. scullyangel Posted: – Change the join raid to 2 times per week with no time restriction on when a character can join. Have the counter set during the Domination downtime each Wednesday, so people can’t work the system and sneak an extra raid in. Yeah I think this makes sense as well. scullyangel Posted: Bumping allowable antifreeze to 15 or 20 per day. This would put those scoops at a max of 120 or 160 per week. BINGEBOT’s scaling antifreeze is a cool thought, but uncapping antifreeze is a bad idea. Flezz is a big enough problem as it is with the auction house opening the door to backhanded transfers. I don’t want to see Domination become a game of who got lucky with their .moar file drops or who got away with subtle flezz transfers. It’s less uncapping and more just scaling how you earn. In theory you could sit there 24/7 and gamble and end up with a handful more scoops, but that time would be better spent coming up with ideas for Chocolate scoops IMO. I do kind of like the idea you mentioned further down about the Mobster backroom wheel of fortune. Only problem is I don’t know how much I like the idea of paying for scoops. I think it would have to give out significantly less scoops, since it takes no time investment (although arguably the flezz took you time to earn) scullyangel Posted: Stopping pistachio growth at 100 forums. I bumume Forumbuildr isn’t going to just shut down when we hit 100 forums, but continuing to add pistachio beyond 100 will shift Dom to being a pistachio is all that matters thing and that is as bad as having vanilla positioned as the only thing that matters. This is likely what will happen. (view post)	02/02/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Nicco Posted: You should do the opposite too, if somebody did a solo raid he won’t be able to get vanilla from klan raids, otherwise people will do a solo raid on Wednesday evening after the previous domination round ended, then join a klan raid to leech vanilla. Damn you for being right. (view post)	01/30/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Nicco Posted: I think we discussed this before Binge, but if you’re going to allow alts again for raids, make it so that characters that joined a raid cannot earn any vanilla from solo raids. Yeah.. to get rid of leeching. So.. if you join a raid, you can’t get solo vanilla for 3 days (or something like that). (view post)	01/30/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Adapt Posted: Well, if you’re going to have multiple raids at the same time, then yes I guess it doesn’t really matter. Personality I would rather see alts allowed in before multiple raids, but that’s just me. My guess (which is probably what will end up happening) is that both will go in at the same time. For next weeks round. (view post)	01/30/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Adapt Posted: Why don’t you make it so that if you are not in a klan raid, your visits don’t count to the number of forums a klan has visited. Make it so that you have to be in a raid for your visits to count. Having to name the raid sounds like it would be more unnecessary work to implement. Why else would you want to know how many forums a klan has pwned if they weren’t part of a raid? Well, first starters I like the idea of naming your raid. Also it is a step in the direction at having multiple raids in the same klan (which I’m still considering). But I’ll bring up your point to ET and see what he thinks in terms of implementation time. (view post)	01/30/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Porco Rosso Posted: This seems least important as it’s something klans can get around themselves by just having more officers. Sure Log in to see images! (view post)	01/30/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Alright so here’s the priority list as I see it based on the discussion (as an effect of the changes we implemented): 1) Show how many forums a raid pwns (we would probably do this by allowing you to name your raid group, then displaying the name on the Klan Domination page) 2) Allow alts to join raids & if you join a raid, you can’t get solo vanilla \| if you get a solo scoop you can’t join a raid for 3 days 3) Tie the daily raid restriction to rollover 4) Allow officers to create raids (without joining them) (view post)	01/30/2009
	Domination Enhancements Thread MC Banhammer Posted: All this talk about trying to balance solo vs. raiders. Bah. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Why can’t we just have separate brackets for soloers and raiders? Then no balancing is needed. Players would default to being solo the first week, then every subsequent week they default to whatever they were the previous week. Before they earn any scoops they can toggle between solo or raiding, but once they earn their first scoop they’re stuck in whatever option they had checked, for the week. Players are put into the appropriate bracket on first scoop earned, and boom, no more worries about balancing solos vs raiders. Technology’s in place for much of this now, with the “enable/disable” option. “solo/raiding” could use the same underlying code. All that’s needed is bracket designation. I’m not convinced that this is the best way, but I’ve certainly considered it and will keep it in mind. Thanks for the input. (view post)	01/30/2009
	Domination Enhancements Thread was Posted: What is this? Who is making too much money from Blackjack or getting too many scoops? If anything antifreeze should be raised to 12 scoops to keep it inline with everything else. The change would remove the cap so that you could get more then the currently capped limit. Maybe we’d consider giving 2 every time instead of 1 so you could get even more. (view post)	01/30/2009
	Uncheating is still cheating FalCoN Posted: I don’t think this is necessary… because after you uncheated, your advantage is only of temporary nature (you could level up faster). So there’s no need to permanently mark a character… not that anyone would care anyway. The only concern I have is that 35’ing your character – saving yourself 2-3 weeks of time – does cost 6 or even 3 BP atm (depending on if you buy GameDolphin). I am p. sure that, especially from an economic point of view, but also because of the relations, Evil Trout would benefit from making uncheat cost 3-4 BP. I’m not against charging more to un-cheat. In fact I’d support that idea. But the issue is that Inertia is unhappy. Log in to see images! (view post)	01/29/2009
	Uncheating is still cheating Perhaps uncheating should permanently mark your account with a flag of some kind so people know you had cheated..? (view post)	01/29/2009
	MC Banhammer is in 7VD hai guys what’s going on in this thread? (view post)	01/29/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Ricket Posted: 1) Remove the limit of 1 character per account, per raid. P unnecessary now. I’d consider this, yes. Ricket Posted: 2) Have the limit of one raid a day tied to rollovers, as opposed to the current system of 24 hours since your last raid was started. Why would this make a huge difference? Couldn’t you then raid right before rollover then raid right after rollover? bumuming you had the visits for it… Ricket Posted: 3) Display the count for the current raid…somewhere. Anywhere. Yes, this obviously needs to be addressed. (view post)	01/29/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Catt although Posted: Just to be sure – is this definitely still the case? Yes currently you can’t join raids with alts. (view post)	01/29/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Got a bug report that klan vanilla ain’t working. Anyone else having similar issues? (view post)	01/29/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes scullyangel Posted: Raids wouldn’t need a bunch of special rules if clicking the “Join Raid” excluded klan raiders from earning solo vanilla, but it does not. Maybe it should. Why shouldn’t it? (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Nicco Posted: Because of this. Well I could leech and do a solo run no matter what the limit is. The cost would be 12 scoops to everyone else in the raid. If they are happy to let you leech at the cost of them not getting the scoops then I don’t see how I can stop you. If the raid limit was 10, 11, 12 or 13 you can always have leeches that do this at the loss of scoops for others. (view post)	01/28/2009
	The Point? Skyman747 Posted: What exactly is the point of doing Domination? Is it just for that little trophy next to your name, or am I missing something Log in to see images! Because it’s fun to compete against other users (scoop standings, trophies, card screwage) and because medals may lead to E-Peen if you are in the top ranks? If you don’t like to compete, you don’t like screwing other players, you don’t like strategy games and you don’t like E-Peen then Domination is not for you. (view post)	01/28/2009

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