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	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes scullyangel Posted: BINGEBOT – you seriously need to remember that the majority of klan raiders are also solo raiders. Unless a day comes when clicking “Join Raid” excludes you from earning solo vanilla during the week klan raiders are getting klan raid scoops and solo scoops. Not the “I’m doing this in the raid” reduced solo scoops, the full 8 per visit solo scoops. Players are getting raid scoops as a benefit on top of solo scoops, not instead of solo scoops. Laying out the math comparing the two is utterly pointless, since it bumumes that they are exclusive. They are not one or the other. That is why raiding needs to be toned down. Players are using raiding like antifreeze gambling. It is something they do in addition to running their normal visits and p loops. Raids wouldn’t need a bunch of special rules if clicking the “Join Raid” excluded klan raiders from earning solo vanilla, but it does not. People are going to spin this all as much as possible to suit their own agenda, but the bottom line is that the number you are picking for klan raid scoop earning is what players will be able to get in addition to what they earn as a solo player. Laying it out like it’s a choice between the two options is pointless. Are you saying that because you can get 1 solo vanilla while in a raid it’s not a 2 to 1 ratio? Or that I can leech in a raid and then do a solo run after? (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes spacekadt Posted: One more very important question – does “raid admin” mean “klan admin” or “person who started the raid”? I believe any klan officer have the controls. (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes CaptainDDL Posted: No matter how many changes we make, it’s obvious that klan raiding is the only way you’re going to truly be competitive in Dom. We’re trying to rebalance Dom, when the rebalancing of the main game is still screwy. I understand you’re really wanting to have this raid limit, but I would have loved to see what the alt limit would have done if the changes were properly implemented in the first place. Limit of 5 alts, only those alts could affect the forums pwned. Instead of rolling all of these changes out at once, couldn’t we do it gradually, so we can more fully see how the changes affect Dom? Here we are, hours before the change, and we still don’t have a raid limit set in stone. It seems logical, in my opinion, that we should hold off on implementing it at this time. Maybe implement it at the same time we get the multiple raids? As much as I agree with you I have two points as to why we will push all these changes today. 1) They are needed, evidence has shown that Alt abuse and Raid abuse both drastically affect the balance of Domination. 2) Programming time is hard to get and I’ll take it when I can get it. It’s taken a long time of planning and prioritizing to get these changes implemented, so I don’t want to hold up the process, who knows when I’d get the time again. (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes MC Banhammer Posted: Solo dom’s built at 8. Why not leave it there and balance after you see how the raid changes go? Is anyone really complaining about solo dom? Fine, so what’s the problem with allowing 13? 13 characters * 12 visits = 156 – 11 visits to pwn the first 11 = 145 scoops. This is basically double the 72 scoops a solo can earn. Looks perfect to me. With 10 you can only earn 109 scoops. Doesn’t seem like a big enough draw. How about we leave as is (8 solo vanilla, 13 raiders) and re-evaluate as needed Log in to see images! (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes MC Banhammer Posted: I kinda liked the 10. It leads to more strategy IMO since you can’t have everyone holding an anchor — you’d have to risk losing more than one while trying to recover another one. I think that Acid Fluxx brought up a good point in that I want to maintain the benefit of raiding and 109 scoops compared to 72, isn’t really worth it. 2 times the scoops is. So I’d consider dropping solo raiding to 7 per dom (63 scoops) and making the raid limit 12 (12 * 12 = 144 – 11 = 133 – 63 = 70). That math works in my head. So.. solo dom 7 scoops per. raid limit to 12 (or 11 I guess – to MC Banhammers point). Discuss. First is build, second is balance. No more changes pre-launch. We can make other changes for next weeks round. (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes FalCoN Posted: Make it 12, 13 is a sucky number. Or make it 14, whatever. You’re a yucky number. Do the math, 13 works best Log in to see images! (view post)	01/28/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Acid Flux Posted: Why the decision to set Max Raid size at 10? IMHO, 13 would be a more fair number (1 Raid Leader, 12 Raiders). This is a good idea. Here’s my logic. 10 characters x 12 visits each = 120 visits – 11 visits (to own the first 11 forums) = 109 potential scoops for a raid. When 72 possible from a solo vanilla, the benefit of 35 doesn’t really encourage raiding. So I’m upping the limit to 13. 13 characters x 12 visits each = 156 visits – 11 visits (to own the first 11 forums) = 145 potential scoops for a raid. That’s a potential double the scoops for klan vanilla over solo vanilla. So if you klan raid you won’t DOMINATE your bracket, but you will have an advantage. (view post)	01/28/2009
	An heroing 3 times should yield more than 1 scoop i think Maybe 8 is a nice round number. That way with 12 visits you could get 24 scoops.. I mean at the very least they are guaranteed. VS solo vanilla which has a POTENTIAL for 72.. or lemon with a POTENTIAL for 36. The difference is you can get solo vanilla, lemon and pistachio all together.. so you’d have to give up all those to get your pathetic 24 (bumuming you’d get 8 scoops for a 3 martys). I’m thinking 8 Log in to see images! (view post)	01/28/2009
	An heroing 3 times should yield more than 1 scoop i think Haunter Posted: Maybe 5 scoops for 3 martyrs. Because back in the day 1000 was a TON, nowadays it’s just another weak, minor flezz Sink for your scoops. You don’t get scoops with 1000 anymore, only 10,000 or higher. I would consider raising the reward for martyring.. I didn’t think anyone actually did that. Log in to see images! (view post)	01/28/2009
	Domination Enhancements Thread was Posted: That seems hard to do. I am all for making raiding more difficult. Yeah I’m leaning towards it being a good idea to have multiple raids on at once. Although I’m sure there are reasons not to do it. (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes was Posted: Would this mean that 20 people hold 12 forums or 20 people hold 24 forums? At what point does the klan vanilla get distributed? In theory it would be two groups of 10 people. Each group would need to own 12 different forums. bumuming that both raids would want to help each other then could, in theory have 11 anchor forums and toggle back and forth on a 12th. I’m not sure if this is a good idea, or bad idea yet Log in to see images! In theory you could do that come Wednesday with two raids from different klans. (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Again… these changes were announced months ago to avoid naysayers. These changes are happening. If you have issues, post in the ENHANCEMENT THREAD to prevent/provide input on future changes. I’m freely available for discussion though TM, gTalk or otherwise. Let me know if you wish to provide feedback throughout the creative process and do not wish to post in a public thread. I actively talk directly with numerous members and klans to ensure that changes benefit everyone. B2015 (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes FalCoN Posted: What would you think about allowing multiple klan raids to take place simultaneously? It seems that the new system makes this possible. I have been considering this and have a ticket in the system for it to get done. That being said, I’m still not convinced that we should do it. Want to convince me? Log in to see images! (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Inertia Posted: usually a raid lasts more than 2 hours edit: so an enabled alt can still raid together with the main and the other alts am I right? Once the changes are in place I think you’d be hard pressed to make a raid last longer then 2 hours, if so I’ll adjust accordingly. All changes will take affect with the start of Domination on Wednesday. (view post)	01/27/2009
	Domination Enhancements Thread Inertia Posted: Next can we remove cards? I’ve always wanted to play dom just on scoops, without any cards. I would consider this a theme, not an “enhancement”, and yes, I would like to try a week with that. (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Acid Flux Posted: Why the five minute entry limit? That window of entry seems a bit narrow. Wouldn’t 15 minutes be more reasonable, just in case someone needed to be replaced at the last minute? Fine! Ok this has been changed. OP has been updated. (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Acid Flux Posted: The fact that a Klan Admin can end a raid at any time makes this option definitely doable. Most raids didn’t need to last two hours (even with 13+ people), so this could definitely help streamline things. Yeah that was my hope as well. You’re not going to need huge amounts of time to raid any more, I think that’s a plus. Get it, use your visits, get out. Next raid, repeat. (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Raepdog Posted: just going on record to say having only 10 people benefit from scoops is sorta a major ‘**** you’ to large klans, what are we to do? Split up from out friends? Or make more and more alt to have second and third klans?? It seems unnecessary with only one account being able to collect scoops.. so un-needed.. Why don’t you just do consecutive raids with your alts and friends? (view post)	01/27/2009
	THIS WEEK: Domination Changes Acid Flux Posted: Dude… it was just a joke. I wish I was able to comprehend the concept of humour that you humans enjoy. Acid Flux Posted: Why the decision to set Max Raid size at 10? IMHO, 13 would be a more fair number (1 Raid Leader, 12 Raiders). Build first, balance second. Log in to see images! Acid Flux Posted: Why the five minute entry limit? That window of entry seems a bit narrow. Wouldn’t 15 minutes be more reasonable, just in case someone needed to be replaced at the last minute? Again, build first, balance second. I’m not against any of your suggestions. Let’s do it this way for a week and let me know if you still feel the same. It should be a minor adjustment so I’m not stressed about changing those details. B2015 (view post)	01/27/2009
	I'M CHEATING AT DOMINATION srtop it (view post)	01/27/2009

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