Fran Posted:

How much Flezz you can get from WoeIsModerator? If you receive the E-Peen, you don’t get a payout.

Evil Trout Posted:

Yeah, I did say that. I feel bad about it, because the first mission we created for E2 was the WoeIsModerator one, so it looked like we were really going to use alignment a lot. Then we dropped the ball which sucked.

I really want to use alignment more going forward. Look for more of it in future updates!

Fran Posted:

But WoeIsModerator was one of the last features on beta, QQ

That’s good news, I want to see how much my Evil alignment can affect me Log in to see images!

Yeah it was tied together last but written first. Sometimes things work out that way. I think we wrote that conversation in Feburary!

I really think the complaints about having to grind are very unfounded.

What had to be done during Ep 1 to earn enough flezz to get the DML – that was grinding.

With the flezz restructure every clbum can get good equipment fairly quickly. The power reduction due to pwning forums beyond your level can very easily be overcome with consumables and a little patience. I’m sorry to those who don’t think they can, you are in fact doing it wrong. The job board is a ****ing brilliant addition that accommodates every level and hands you enough flezz in one visit to pay for consumables, so you don’t even have to wait for deliveries.

A brand new player, with no idea of how charisma and luck work or how to allocate build points might have a grinding problem, but otherwise I’m pretty damn sure it’s possible for any clbum except perma or re-re to go from brand new character to level cap in under 5 weeks.

Even if a player doesn’t want to overrun their level, instead of mindlessly grinding you can take jobs and gather .moar files.

Veer Posted:

3. honestly i’ve stopped playing with my alts because they were underleveled when episode 2 rolled out. not to mention that the “challenge” clbum is just more grinding. people who beat episode 2 quickly were leveled up already and idk they planned or something point is it’s not a hard game that requires a lot of skill

i’ve also done this

e: this really feels like the current design philosophy, correct me if i’m wrong

Veer Posted:

1. still you have to admit that forcing the player to do really terrible things removes any “free will.” like the o’reilly missions.

2. you can get both those e-peen if you go neutral. not to mention that you can get neither or them if you don’t know what to choose ahead of time.

3. honestly i’ve stopped playing with my alts because they were underleveled when episode 2 rolled out. not to mention that the “challenge” clbum is just more grinding. people who beat episode 2 quickly were leveled up already and idk they planned or something point is it’s not a hard game that requires a lot of skill

1. This is a complicated point to address in games, period. There are games on rails were you can’t make any decisions. There are others that are open ended and allow you to do whatever the hell you want. Both are valid strategies, I think, and two of my favorite games (God of War and Oblivion) are good examples of this.

In God of War, you have to murder a person you’ve never met in a brutal and violent way to continue with the story. In Oblivion, you can do whatever the hell you want, but you end up with much weaker narrative.

Our core storyline (we call it the Mythology) is much more linear than Oblivion, and that was done intentionally. One major reason for this is that we have a limited team. If we had to write separate game paths for every decision in the game you could make it would kill us. It’s basically double the work for any choice the player can make, right?

Secondly, and this will come out more in Episode 3, we have a central storyline we wanted to tell. Things that happen in the final episode don’t make sense withough pre-requisites in earlier episodes.

2. I thought I addressed this? Every game with moral choices has this issue. Also, E-Peen™ come in many different shapes and sizes. Nobody is entitled to any E-Peen™ for any reason. Some are easy, others aren’t. I was arguing earlier that the LOLCat had an evil twin, but I’d never say that every E-Peen™ has some kind of karmatic balance.

Tesfan Posted:

i’ve also done this

e: this really feels like the current design philosophy, correct me if i’m wrong

Hint: BINGEBOT 2015 was joking.

Also, ouch!

Obviously we want the game to be as fun and interesting as possible. It sucks that you think we’re only interested in adding grind.

If you look at Scullyangel’s thread where she summarized how much we’ve added over the last year, I think you’ll see we are committed to constantly improving the game.

I’m not going to convince you the game is good if you don’t like it. If you don’t like the game, it doesn’t offend me. What DOES offend me is the suggestion that our design philosophy is lazy and we think you’d all be happy with more grinding.

I’m probably taking your **** slinging too seriously now, but a lot of people are working insanely hard on this game, dude. It’s really easy to throw out criticism, it’s much harder to build a solid game. I’m not saying that the amount of work we put into this makes the game objectively good and you should like it, just that I promise you that nobody wants the game to suck and we’re trying our best to always make it better.

Veer Posted:

1. still you have to admit that forcing the player to do really terrible things removes any “free will.” like the o’reilly missions.

2. you can get both those e-peen if you go neutral. not to mention that you can get neither or them if you don’t know what to choose ahead of time.

3. honestly i’ve stopped playing with my alts because they were underleveled when episode 2 rolled out. not to mention that the “challenge” clbum is just more grinding. people who beat episode 2 quickly were leveled up already and idk they planned or something point is it’s not a hard game that requires a lot of skill

1. You sort of have a point, and I suppose we could’ve made those missions optional if you’re really morally opposed to them. (Note: They might actually be optional, I’m not sure anymore. Hell, apparently DrrtyCop was optional in Ep 1.) But I didn’t ever really see it that way because the forums he hands you are actually replete with racists, sexists, religious hypocrites, etc. You’ll notice this in the replies.

2) What I personally wanted to do was release tons more E-Peen that were utterly random, pointless, arbitrary, and make it nearly impossible to collect all of them. The idea would be to take away the power that comes with collecting Peen, because people have gotten far too serious about it and it’s ruined the fun. Making sure it’s balanced so that everyone practically has exactly the same Peen (or conversely, the same number of Peen) completely stifles creativity, in my humble opinion. Trout and BB feel differently, but they’re lamers Log in to see images!

3) Um, I forgot what we were talking about.

But I think that our conception of “grinding” differs. If you’re doing the same “dungeons” over and over just to get enough gold to get to the next level, that sucks. We’re limited as to how the gameplay can advance your character, but we tried our best to eliminate that kind of pointless repetitiveness. Our repetitiveness is meaningful. Of course, you can’t please everyone.

1. et the difference is that in God of War, you’re not deciding the character: you are Kratos, some jackbum who is psychotic. in forumwarz, you’re given the illusion of “i can be me!!” and then having it taken away immediately. idk how you’ll handle this

2. remove the e-peen count by our names then

post is too long, make it shorter like this one:

remove e-peen count by names

Veer Posted:

post is too long

Was too long even for me. I shouldn’t make heartfelt peen posts when tipsy.

I do think people lose interest in any repetitive action game if there is no goal or goal based reward though. It is the nature of those who play games to want to be given some task in order to reach a goal/reward. *shrug*