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I hereby declare war on everything everywhere.Anybody with me?
...actually, no. You can’t be with me. Because I declare war on everything, which includes YOU. So **** off. (view post) |
03/31/2009 | |
Animal Cruelty and Meat ConsumptionI was a vegetarian for about eight months. I counted the amount of protein and iron I got everyday, and supposedly, I was getting enough. Then my hair started falling out. Now I eat as much meat as possible. (view post) |
03/19/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?The Girl With Mad Skillz Yo Posted:
Satanism is more of an amalgamation of different symbols from around the world. His Sumerian name is Ea, also known as Enki, God of the earth.
He is also referred to as Melek Taus by the Al-Yezidis, which is a man with a bulls head.
In pages 58-60 of the S. Bible, a laundry list of names for Satan is given. Some of these names include:
Belial (Hebrew) Ahpuch (Mayan) Baphomet (The Knights Templar) Dracula (Romanian) Emma-O (Japanese) Fenriz (Teutonic) Kali (Hindu) Ishtar (Babylonian) Bile` (Celtic)
He has many similarities to the Greek gods.
Apollo: their symbols are both the peamale reproductive organ, they are the bringers of light and of knowledge, they are both often seen as a kouros, or “beardless youth.”
Pan: Satan represents indulgence, so this could be sexual, as with Pan, or…
Dionysus: ...plentiness of food and alcohol, as with Dionysus.
Hecate: Satanism also exemplifies witchcraft, as represented by the Greek god Hecate.
In page 25 of the S. Bible, most of the nine Satanic statements can be linked to a pagan god:
1. “Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!” (Greek god Dionysus) 3. “Satan represents undefiled Wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!” (Several Greek, middle eastern, native American, and Norse Gods are the “bringers of wisdom” to mankind. In every other religion but Islam, Xianity and Judaism, this is seen as a good thing. But when Satan gives mankind wisdom in the Garden of Eden, it is seen as our downfall.) 5. “Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!” (Just read the Odyssey or the Iliad, and you will see that this was a value of Greek culture.)
This is the beginning of the “Book of Lucifer: The Enlightenment”:
“The Roman god, Lucifer, was the bearer of light, the spirit of the air, the personification of enlightenment. In Christian mythology he became synonymous with evil which was only to have been expected from a religion whose very existence is perpetuated by clouded definitions and bogus values!”
These are excerpts from Joy of Satan’s website:
“The Buddah sat beneath the “Bo Tree” and achieved enlightenment. “Bo means serpent, as in Bo-A or Boo-Ta.”¹ The Christian Church stole, twisted and corrupted everything they could from the original religions. The fig tree was known as “The Tree of Wisdom” Ficus religiosa.² The xian church corrupted this with the placing of fig leaves over the genitals of Adam and Eve. ”
“Satan in Hebrew means ‘adversary,’ but the Hebrew language was derived from other languages that preceded it by hundreds to thousands of years. The Hebrew letters are derived from Phoenician and Phoenician was derived from hieroglyphics; cuneiform- just research any text book on the origins of languages.”
“The Catholic Church knew the original religions had to be replaced with something else and this is where all of the stories in the bible came from. They are all rip-offs from the originals, which had their origins long before Judeo/Christianity ever reared its ugly head. The Virgin Mary stole from and replaced Astaroth, who was bound, as “the Lady of Heaven.” Astaroth was the most popular Goddess in the pre-Christian world. Fictitious Jehova ripped off from Enlil/Beelzebub/Baal, who was the most popular God in the pre-Christian world, and then there is our beloved Creator Father Satan/Ea who wound up as the Serpent and the Devil.”
These are only the similarities I see at first hand. I’m sure if someone were to do a more in-depth study, they could tell you even more. (view post) |
03/19/2009 | |
This game is WINshifty_pecker Posted:
...I ****ing hate you.
I ****ing Hate You, by Godsmack (view post) |
03/05/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?Sex and Razors Posted:
That kind of depends on what you consider “paganism.” As in, any religion or mythology that predates Xianity, Islam or Judaism, than yes, it comes from that, too. It’s more of a collective view of a similar figure from across the world.
At least, that’s how I see it. Every Satanist will give you a different viewpoint. (view post) |
03/05/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?Xylon Posted:
The OP?
Theistic Satanism? Umm…sort of. But not really. The bumyrians, Al-Yezidi and Babylonians go back further than that.
Xylon Posted:
Pretty much, yeah. Except most of us aren’t suitheistic.
Xylon Posted:
Also commonly known as devil-worshipers. Pretty much, yeah.
Xylon Posted:
Pretty much, yeah.
Why is this thread unintelligent again? (view post) |
03/05/2009 | |
This game is WINSpagett Posted:
When I wake tomorrow, I’ll bet, that you and I will walk together again…
I can tell that we are gonna be friends.
We’re Going to be Friends, by the White Stripes (view post) |
03/04/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?[quote]Balloon Posted:
It’s not exactly the same being. It maybe seen as the same but the idea is twisted. Our horned god became devils of the new religion…. which at the time was Christianity. And when you think about it… which came first Satanism or Christianity?
As for the names… what’s in a name? I hear more about Cenunnos. Cerne, and Herne and not of Lucifer (Morning Star) or Beelzebub. But there are so many accounts of the those names. Heavenly god? Fallen Angel? Sounds less like pagans and more like Christianity talk.
Also it interesting to note that there is no mention of this “devil” in the old testament. p/quote]
All good points. And Satanism came first. The word Satan didn’t come out until the age of Xianity. But his images, ideals and concepts come from thousands of years before, to the earliest of all known religions.
They do, I’ll admit. There’s a list of all the names of Satan in the S. Bible, but I’ve let a friend borrow it for the time.
Also note that you don’t really see the devil as a “punisher” as you do a tempter in the New Testament. All the fire and brimstone speeches didn’t begin until the medieval age.
[quote]Sneaky27 Posted:
Interesting. I believe in those same ideals. I’m not a satanist of any stripe. I simply don’t believe in religion. There is no one path to enlightenment, and consequentially all paths contain some grain of truth. Why limit myself to one?[/quote]
I asked myself the same question for a long time. In the first chapter of the Satanic Bible, Anton Lavey points out that if you find yourself agreeing with everything in the book, you are already a Satanist. I essentially picked up a book that had written down almost everything I value. After reading it, I thought, what would be different, except that I have a name for myself?
Now, Anton is a bit heartless at times…that’s not me. But the core message is something I agree with strongly.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to convert you…it’s not in my moral code. But you might enjoy reading the Satanic Bible. If nothing else, it’s an interesting read.
[quote]Uplink Posted:
Reading your comments, it seems you know quite a few things. And you seem quite keen to protect your comments on the subject. And here I am attacking you
I went through the Satanic Bible when I was somewhere around 18, and it didn’t sound like what I expected. I actually liked some of it. But… I didn’t like the title: the Satanic Bible. The role Satan played in my upbringing makes that title repulsive. Then again, I find any form of organized religion (by any name) repulsive. The philosophy is fine. Giving it a name and forming a group, one that bears the name of something that we were taught as being really awful… not the best idea out there. Don’t call it a religion, don’t mention gods and daemons, and by any means don’t call it a bible. [/quote]
Thank you for your tact.
I must admit that, though Satanism predates Xianity, a lot of Satanists I run into make it seem as if it’s one big battle against Jesus. It is, by Satanists themselves, often times polarized with Xianity, what with the Bible and the Ten Commandments and the priests and whatnot. I don’t see it that way. Many of my close friends are Xians. A few Xians I’ve met have even been well-read, intelligible, enlightened human beings, seeking truth and wisdom. I don’t see Xians individually as evil, of course (at least not always Log in to see images!, but I do see the institution itself that way. It’s designed to repress, oppress, and control.
I could see how that could be a turn-off. But it was actually one of the things that attracted me to it. The fear, the unknown aspects of the religion drew me to explore it further. I grew up with a strong Xian upbringing, and was very active in my church for many years. I even planned to become a monk for five years, then a minister. But it slowly came crashing down around me when I was 15, and I came to see the world as it was. That was a painful time for me. So, Xianity played a role in my upbringing that makes it…repulsive may be too strong of a word, but it come close.
Xianity has it’s good points, but its stereotypes are usually quite bad. I see Satanism as taking these negative stereotypes and turning them inside out. Self-loathing is replaced with self-empowerment. Constant fear of an intangible being is replaced with full confidence in and responsibility for oneself. Proselytizing is replaced with respect for people’s various beliefs. And, my favorite, hierarchy is replaced with intellectuality.
As for me personally, I’ve never been to a gathering of Satanists of any kind. The only “religious” practice I partake in is personal meditation. There really aren’t that many to be found in Laveyan Satanism. Black mbumes are only done to mock organized religion, and they are done rarely. We don’t summon demons or Satan, because, while we believe in universal energy, we don’t believe in the actual singular beings’ existence. In fact, I’m the only Satanist I know that I haven’t met over the internet. It kind of sucks, sometimes. (view post) |
03/04/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?^^I know what you mean. I always hate it when people bumociate me with pagans, too. Or even worse: anarchists. Log in to see images!
Finally, a sincere question.
Shovel Warrior Posted:
Well, it’s kind of like asking what a Xian believes in. They all share the same basic values, but a Baptist will give you an entirely different view than a Catholic. It basically breaks down to three main sects: Laveyan, Theistic, and devil-worshipers. I am Laveyan.
“Laveyan” refers to the ideas of Antony Lavey, who founded the Church of Satan in 1966. It has religious practices, but they are not required and are essentially just for show. Laveyans don’t believe God, demons, or even Satan. Satan is a symbol of everything the Xian church is not. Xians themselves can be decent enough people, but the church as a whole practices brainwashing, oppression and mbum murder, and attributes all of these things to a God they can’t prove exists. Thus, the Laveyan Satanist stands for intellectuality, freedom, and personal responsibility for one’s own actions. A Satanic Bible will definitely give you a clearer picture. You can buy them at Amazon.com.
Theistic Satanism is a little more complicated. They don’t believe in “God,” but they do believe in Satan and his demons — but in a different way. They more typically refer to Satan as “Lucifer,” “Beelzebub” or any of the various pagan names that essentially refer to the same being. The same goes for their demons, of which there are 72. They don’t believe that they are evil. They see them as the benefactors and creators of mankind. They don’t “worship” them, per se, but they believe in their literal existence and ability to give them various powers. They believe demons, and even Satan himself, can be summoned to help them accomplish their personal endeavors. I’ll give you a link to this site, but I warn you: they are all nutjobs. Do not engage them in conversation.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html
The third kind, devil worshipers, are really pretty simple. They believe in the Judeo-Xian God, and they deliberately stand against him. They know that Satan will lose in the end, but they choose to join sides with him anyway. These are the real crazies that you have to watch out for. They typically believe in human sacrifice, black mbumes, acts of violence, etc.
Sorry if that was more than you were asking for. (view post) |
02/25/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?Dear…God.
Where to begin.
From the beginning, I suppose:
A 1D view with shades of grey doesn’t work that well either. With everything being interdependent, choosing just one point of view, which is supposed to be the opposite of another, is as bad as sticking with the point of view you oppose, because those aren’t the only two points of view, while ignoring the rest of reality.
What do you propose, then? Never making a stand? Never deciding what you believe? Forever floating in some sort of philosophical limbo? That’s not where I prefer to stay. If that suits you, then more power to you. As Aristotle said, it is the mark of a truly educated mind to entertain an idea without accepting it. But that phrase works both ways. A truly educated mind can choose a point of view, and still be capable of seeing life from another.
If you want a symbol, make one of your own. That symbol would be you, and you alone. And it would bear a name that you give it (if you choose to name it – you don’t have to). At first, you’ll go through all the stages of independence, the same way as when you leave home to be on your own: fear, insecurity, loneliness, even exclusion, but after a while you’ll see that live is just beginning and that there’s a lot more to it than you thought. You’ll be independent and self-sustained, without the need for a father figure. And that will make you stronger than you’ll ever be if you limit yourself to a “Bible” or any set of rules and prejudices. This new-found strength will also help you go over any hurdles you may encounter on your path.
Yeah…you’re gonna need to change your tone, son, and quick. You’re making a ****load of judgemental comments that I doubt you gave much consideration to before posting.
I’m 19, I work 30 hours a week and go to college full time. I lease a house that I and two others pay for. Not 13, looking for my long-last daddy. I moved out the day I turned 18, and I doubt you’ll want to hear half of the learning experiences I’ve had on my own.
I don’t limit myself to a “Bible.” It is a useful tool, but I disagree with several points Anton Lavey brings up. If I read 1984 or Brave New World or any other book and bring a lasting message out of it, one that I keep with me for the rest of my life, does that make me a conformist?
Why is an established symbol any less valid than one that I make up? Do you really feel the need to be such an individual that you are simply incapable of joining sides with any viewpoint? If I say “Satan,” you might think of a man in a red suit with a tail and horns. That’s not what I think of. His image is personal to me and me alone.
Not that it really matters, because, as I keep pointing out, I am Laveyan. Sigh.
Furthermore, this opens me up to a community of those who I know, by the label they choose, already share a similar view on life as I. This is an invaluable resource, one that would not be so easily attainable if I simply walked through life without labels for fear of losing some sense of identity.
I’m terrified by this thread so far. There are so many religions out there as there are political points of view. You are familiar with the ones that have gods and daemons in an antitheses, as if that’s all that counts.
You think so, huh? Maybe you should take a look at my bookshelf. You might find more books on Eastern and pagan religions than you think.
If you prefer religious symbols to guide your path, I’d suggest that you don’t limit to the traditional black and white views. Read up on Kabbalah, Buddhism, Wicca, the Raelian movement, and even about those idiots that commit mbum suicide in the name of their sect.
And here is the kicker. For all you know, I may have done more reading on these religions than you. Just how old are you, anyway?
I’m pretty sure that if you spend enough time seeing what everyone thinks, you won’t end up with any particular philosophy, or pre-defined symbol.
That may be your path. But it is not necessarily the appropriate path for all others.
Think about all of these religions that you imply you have so rigorously observed. Have you ever considered why these billions of people have chosen to bumociate themselves with a religion? Condemning someone because of a religious choice is no different condemning them for their lack of one. It seems as if that is what you’re doing.
Oh, and to answer your initial question, I may be a satanist from the christian point of view simply because I wrote this stuff. And from a satanic point of view I’m also evilLog in to see images! |
02/25/2009 | |
Well then, I shall now start pwning this forum. *fapfapfap*-100
Mr. Feelgood’s Cheeriject
+150
Bring on the pain!
Spoiler: you will die alone. (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
41% - who's more evil than me?Hey.
HEY.
(male reproductive organ) (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
****ing obligatory READ ME for this lame forum1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted: |
02/24/2009 | |
41% - who's more evil than me?male reproductive organ.
And 27%. (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
Religious players^^ I agree.
To me, saying that a God exists that created the universe and everything in it is simply adding an extra step to the existential equation.
People are okay with believing that God/a set of gods “are, always were, and always will be” but simply cannot fathom the idea that the universe (or life itself O.O ) has simply existed forever.
It could very well be that the universe (or life) has a creator. But I think it’s funny whenever theists try to use god as an end-all response by claiming “gawd did ut.”
The Ferv Posted:
Nope. But isn’t it fun trying to? Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
Well then, I shall now start pwning this forum. *fapfapfap*Look, I don’t have anything against kooks. All I’m saying is that if they come to my town, we God-fearing white folk should have full sexual rights to them (and their children). Mmmm. One’s tight, but the other’s tighter!
(Racial Tension + Fap = Offense +20) Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
Well then, I shall now start pwning this forum. *fapfapfap*
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02/24/2009 | |
This game is WINNigel Posted:
She was the best damn woman that I’d ever seen.
-AC/DC, You Shook Me All Night Long (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
41% - who's more evil than me?male reproductive organ. (view post) |
02/24/2009 | |
Any Satanists out there?...a crutch? In what way is Satanism my crutch?
I believe in the power of love. I just also happen to believe in the power of hatred.
I also believe in a universal power beyond our explanation. I don’t call it “god” or worship it, but I acknowledge that it’s there.
Sure, I look out for me and my own first. But I also do charity work. Satanism is also about fulfilling Satan’s work upon humanity by advancing us as a whole to the godhead. You are your first responsibility, with the exception of loved ones, perhaps. But help out your brother and you help out yourself.
EDIT: Since you edited your post, it is clearer what you mean. I would propose that if you are obligated to follow it, it isn’t a moral code. If you’re obligated, it’s law or duty, not morality. Under whose authority does a Christian abide by the codes of the Bible? If you believe in God, I suppose you could say him. But even Christians believe in the power of free will. A Christian is free to come and go from the faith as he pleases.
And couldn’t “doing as you please” be a moral code, anyway?
Satanism is not a religion. It is a philosophy. Anton Lavey was reluctant to create a list of ten commandments for Satanism because a) it is too resembling of Xianity, and b) it implies just what you said: that we, Satanists or non, are obligated to follow them. Perhaps that is where your misconception lies.
I’d also like to point out:
Celerysteve Posted:
Would there be a God if there was no Satan? (view post) |
02/24/2009 |