BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Let’s focus on the problem at hand. Let’s call it the iterative approach.

The problem, as I see it is that people are sick of having to spend countless hours gambling just to compete in Domination.

The fix: Limit the number of scoops you can get from gambling.

I recognize that this may lead to vanilla scoops abuse again, but that’s already been nerfed and wasn’t really a problem, IMO. The fact that we encourage people to be in Klans, and partake in vanilla runs isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Having a Flezz sink may be an issue for now until we have better and more ways to spend it. If people want to gamble for fun, and to make more money they can. We can address bigger potential issues in Flezz abundance later.

The main point, keep it simple since this is something we’d like to do for Wednesday after this round of Domination is over.

B2015

That’s why I like the Guess my Number solution, because in my opinion it solves both problems. If the wiki is right in saying that perfect play results in a 35% win rate, then a player simply CAN’T spend countless hours placing F1000 bets, even with a large bankroll. Instead they’ll have to use visits to earn fleez in order to get antifreeze, which would leave chocolate as the only scoop which doesn’t require a visit investment. As an added bonus, it’ll give players something to “spend” their excess fleez on.

scullyangel Posted:

Pretty much anything without a ceiling on scoops will not solve the problem. Players will simply switch from playing blackjack for scoops, to playing for flezz to rebuild the supply when guess the number drains them.

That’s counting on luck for the most part. Even with the best charts in the world, the odds are with the house.

scullyangel Posted:

No, there is something off with the way Gamblebot runs blackjack. I think it’s sticking on the soft 17 and not counting it’s own blackjacks as anything besides a regular 21 allowing you a chance to tie.

If you start with a decent bankroll, enough to survive a mean losing streak, you will gain flezz. I’ve been on big losing streaks, but everyone of my characters is up flezz from playing blackjack.

Indeed. I’ve won 75k yesterday.

Alright people, I’ve reviewed everything and in keeping with the theme (fixing the AF issue – and looking to visit the BJ flezz generating issue afterwards) this is what we’re proposing.

Step 1 – AF scoop control:

– Add AF scoops to all games

– Limit scoops to 5 per day

Step 2 – Blackjack balancing:

– Blackjack (21) payout is 6:5 (instead of 3:2)

– Push (ties) yeilds 75% return only

– Dealer hits on a soft 17

– Multiple decks (4)

– Option to split

– Maybe: After splitting, player receive 1 scoop for winning each hand or loses 1 for losing each hand

– Can’t double down a split

– No spliting aces

– Maybe: On double down, player receive 2 scoops for winning, lose 1 for losing

Step 3 – Limit removal

– Consider removing the scoop limits

We’ll implement step 1 today. Step 2 will come in the coming weeks. Step 3 will happen after step 2 has been done and is generating results.

How does this sound?

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Step 1 – AF scoop control:

– Add AF scoops to all games

– Limit scoops to 5 per day

Step 2 – Blackjack balancing:

– Blackjack (21) payout is 6:5 (instead of 3:2)

– Push (ties) yeilds 75% return only

– Dealer hits on a soft 17

– Multiple decks (4)

– Option to split

– Maybe: After splitting, player receive 1 scoop for winning each hand or loses 1 for losing each hand

– Can’t double down a split

– No spliting aces

– Maybe: On double down, player receive 2 scoops for winning, lose 1 for losing

Step 3 – Limit removal

– Consider removing the scoop limits

The first part of Step 1 is redundant. No one in their right mind would play the other games for their five antifreeze (if it is true that there is indeed a strategy for profiting from Blackjack).

In fact, adding antifreeze to all games (most specifically RPS) will lead to further consequences. Once Step 2 is implemented everyone will switch to RPS for their antifreeze (RPS breaks even on average), and once Step 3 is implemented everyone with a decent bankroll will once again be earning infinite antifreeze.

Antifreeze, in my opinion, should never be added to a game with 50/50 or better odds.

Step 2 sounds like proper rules, i like the whole 3 step solution as it will finally allow a lot of people to come back to Dom.

as someone who is currently down about 55k, some of the step 2 changes seem too harsh (like the return on ties and the 6/5ths on blackjack)

Leechbait Posted:

lol 75% return on push who would everr play that??

Yeah. They’re going overboard on gambling when the issue isn’t gambling, it’s AF Scoops. Oh, well.

Make Gamblebot kick you out if you net more than 10000 in Blackjack in a day. Have it accuse you of counting cards or something.

Arktor Posted:

Look at the Flezz leaderboard. Summergirl is exploiting it. Statistically, there’s a 1:10^35 chance of consistently making that much money from blackjack.

What are you using to get those odds? If you’re using some standard Blackjack odds, your calculations don’t make sense because GB plays a set of rules I doubt have ever existed in a casino-style Blackjack game, so it’s hard to get odds on it without running the full set of possibilities.

And if I’m right about the odds right now, and the player’s got an edge with proper play, then the chance of consistently making that much money from blackjack is pretty good — you just need a ****load of time, which I think Summergirl’s clearly demonstrated she has.