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Writing A very SERIOUS discussion about Antifreeze Scoops. Seriously.

Wyrd

Avatar: 2782 2011-10-31 19:56:49 -0400
24

[Brainfreeze]

Level 35 Camwhore

I tried to get over myself, but I'm just too awesome!

I totally agree with Sancdar’s post. Very good ideas to balance antifreeze. And it needs fixing because it’s ridiculous that Antifreeze is the way to win domination, because it really has very little to do with playing Forumwarz. You’re playing blackjack, not forumwarz* and winning domination because of it. Currently even an excellent forum-pwner/creative genius can’t really win in the higher domination teams without spending a lot of time and flezz playing blackjack.

*: Of course you do need to pwn some forums for flezz, but still.

Echuu

Avatar: 6433 Tue Jul 21 22:01:07 -0400 2009
10

[Backdoor Amigos]

Level 20 Troll

You made Vader snobby.

Great suggestions Sanc. That seems to be able to balance it out.

****hole

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6

Level 16 Troll

Open 24/7

WetSocket Posted:

Scully, name one newbie who has the knowledge or Flezz™ to run gamblebot for hours and compete against vanilla runs, coordinated attacks, and gamblebot players.

I did, that’s why I was recruited.

Sancdar

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35

[Team Shortbus]

Level 50 Camwhore

LCC club

UnderageSexbomb pretty much owned last week without real klan support.

Goth_Jesus

Avatar: Old Man and Crying Baby
22

[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Emo Kid

“Gloomy Gus”

Seriously, antifreeze scoops are getting to ridiculous numbers. But if you limit Antifreeze but not vanilla, it’ll just make matters worse.

Goth_Jesus edited this message on 04/21/2008 12:56PM

scully

Avatar: 12797 2015-07-20 16:59:13 -0400
77

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Camwhore

I really do talk ****!

Goth_Jesus Posted:

Seriously, antifreeze scoops are getting to ridiculous numbers. But if you limit Antifreeze but not vanilla, it’ll just make matters worse.

That’s not the only problem. I reread my posts and maybe I come off sounding like ‘go antifreeze!’ I’m not. I’m horribly bored with Gamblebot. Blackjack is fun, but playing for 14+ hours in a week to guarantee medals, is tedious. In my current pod, Team We Love Hitler, the entire pod is bored with the antifreeze situation. Still, antifreeze is currently the only answer to klan vanilla.

Adding caps or ceilings to more flavas is a bad idea in Domination, it will only shift the problem to a different area. Lemon/pistachio already have a ceiling as they are capped by visits. If antifreeze and vanilla get a cap, then everything will come down to forumbuildr luck and I really think that is just going to encourage people to try to rig the voting more than they already are. I love that player input becomes reality weekly, and hate to think that those who are doing a genuinely wonderful job on submissions would get pushed out by those actively pushing to manipulate Domination pods. And, it most certainly would happen, it already does to a certain extent.

Plus with added caps, in pods without big forumbuildr players, it will simply come down to who got lucky with the few Dom cards they went for (caps in 4 flavas would make most Dom cards nearly useless – early bumholes and Shields would be sheer power) and whether or not lag messed up your speed runs.

I would absolutely be in favor of a cap on antifreeze if solo vanilla was balanced with klan vanilla, but I don’t see how it can be balance when a raider doesn’t actually need to use their visits to get klan vanilla. Currently 0 visits in a raiding klan can easily be converted into 100+ scoops. Players aren’t needing to sacrifice lemon/pistachio to get vanilla. (For those confused by this, realize that you can bring an alt into the klan to use it’s forum visits while your main saves all visits to be used for chaining speed runs. The alt can then further be used in Dom pods for crowd control for yourself if a weird pod happens, or for other klan members. Or it can simply grab medals itself if it’s in a lower level pod that doesn’t have other vanilla klan players.)

Changing solo vanilla to deliver more scoops and scoops for every forum grabbed over 3 could help. Making the scoops earned from what is currently solo vanilla into some other scoop – something that earning klan vanilla locks you out of receiving – would be a serious answer.

Regardless, I don’t have a real suggestion for an antifreeze solution, that’s why I’d like to wait and see if some of the powerful new Dom card possibilities shift things. If new medals open up other options.

scully edited this message on 04/21/2008 2:55PM

DEAD fabulous person

Avatar: 21099 Wed Jul 08 18:09:49 -0400 2009
44

[Vacation Hideaway]

Level 35 Camwhore

AAA++++!!! WOULD BUY AGAIN!!!

My suggestion for antifreeze: Have gamblebot play by a set of rules that increases the house advantage by a bit. Multiple decks, for instance and/or lowering the BJ bonus. Right now I’m not even sure there IS a house percentage, I’ve won 80k today and I’ve made over 1,000 scoops this round. It’s gamebreakingly ridiculous and I’m not competing in domination until this is fixed a bit, it simply takes too much of my time now.

Arktor

Avatar: Schoolgirl Uniform
24

[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

I agree with Summer. Using Gamblebot to get scoops gets ridiculous. Summer and I tied this round, saving us both quite a bit of time, but it is definitely ridiculous. We both got over a thousand scoops total, and it could have very easily been twice that.

Arktor edited this message on 04/23/2008 9:13PM

scully

Avatar: 12797 2015-07-20 16:59:13 -0400
77

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Camwhore

I really do talk ****!

I certainly didn’t come up with any 1000 scoops, but gambling for about 2 hours total this week allowed me to hit with 21 bumholes and probably 25 more cards. I picked up maybe 3 lemon scoops running Paranoia, so it was all antifreeze.

evilhamster

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10

[The Fondler of Bal-
lsacks
]

Level 34 Emo Kid

“Cutty Cutterson”

I won two trophies this week when I wasn’t expecting to get any at all- I didn’t have the visits to get any significant lemon/pistachio/vanilla, so I just traded in my scoops until I got a switcheroo, moved my 25 lemons to antifreeze and played blackjack every chance I got. I ended up with max scoops and favorite flavor that way, even after being hit with about a dozen cards.

Marcos El Ma-
lo

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Level 10 Troll

“Pain in the ASCII”

Summergirl_94 Posted:

My suggestion for antifreeze: Have gamblebot play by a set of rules that increases the house advantage by a bit. Multiple decks, for instance and/or lowering the BJ bonus. Right now I’m not even sure there IS a house percentage, I’ve won 80k today and I’ve made over 1,000 scoops this round. It’s gamebreakingly ridiculous and I’m not competing in domination until this is fixed a bit, it simply takes too much of my time now.

My understanding is that the deck is shuffled after each hand, i.e., the equivalent to a new deck each hand. So card counting won’t work, anyway. You should still be losing flezz over the long run, even if you’re getting the wins to get the scoops.

Oh, and lowering the blackjack bonus? Then it’s not blackjack.

Marcos El Malo edited this message on 04/23/2008 10:01PM

Arktor

Avatar: Schoolgirl Uniform
24

[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

Marcos El Malo Posted:

My understanding is that the deck is shuffled after each hand, i.e., the equivalent to a new deck each hand. So card counting won’t work, anyway.

Based on what you have and what the CPU has, you can tilt the odds in your favor.

evilhamster

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10

[The Fondler of Bal-
lsacks
]

Level 34 Emo Kid

“Cutty Cutterson”

Arktor Posted:

Based on what you have and what the CPU has, you can tilt the odds in your favor.

Not really.

In a truly random card shuffling the odds will always favor the player who goes second, in other words the “house”

Card counting will tip the odds in the favor of the player, but it doesn’t work by increasing the odds of winning a hand- instead by letting the player bet more when the odds are in his/her favor.

When running for AF you are always betting max, so card counting would not help at all even if it was possible.

Still, played properly you can make the odds pretty close to even so if you start out with 15k  or more you can play nearly forever. But the odds are still with the house.

Sancdar

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35

[Team Shortbus]

Level 50 Camwhore

LCC club

Marcos El Malo Posted:

Oh, and lowering the blackjack bonus? Then it’s not blackjack.

Most casinos that have single-deck blackjack tables pay 6:5 on a BJ now.

evilhamster Posted:

In a truly random card shuffling the odds will always favor the player who goes second, in other words the “house”

With proper strategy GB’s edge drops under 1%. I think with this rule set the best the player gets is around -.60%, but I could be wrong. Anyone who wants to can do the full odds in a few hours.

evilhamster Posted:

When running for AF you are always betting max, so card counting would not help at all even if it was possible.

If you were trying to get Flezz to extend your run, and you had way way more time than you should, I guess counting would still help. A moot point though, as the deck is shuffled after every hand.

Oh, and as of 55 minutes into the new Dom round, I gambled up 104 scoops Log in to see images! Sancdar edited this message on 04/23/2008 10:35PM

Fran

Avatar: 34789 2015-08-06 21:23:09 -0400
40

[A Beautiful Place -
Out in the Country
]

Level 62 Camwhore

I wonder who is the bumbling idiot that still has fake currency on this website and actually spends

Am I the only one the finds extremely funny that we are discussing BJ strategies on a forum-based RPG? Log in to see images!

Eh, haven’t been trying Domination for much time (in fact, did my first round this week and got screwed by an attack of bumhole cards), but it’s already clear how you need to gamble AF to be able to win, even at the low brackets. I can only imagine how it is at the higher ones, with people gathering 1k+ scoops.

This is ridiculous…

Fran edited this message on 04/24/2008 2:07AM

Fran

Avatar: 34789 2015-08-06 21:23:09 -0400
40

[A Beautiful Place -
Out in the Country
]

Level 62 Camwhore

I wonder who is the bumbling idiot that still has fake currency on this website and actually spends

Double post… FW crashed here, rofl.

Fran edited this message on 04/24/2008 2:06AM

TUBSWEETIE

Avatar: 3450 2011-07-31 00:45:06 -0400
28

[And The Banned Pla-
yed On
]

Level 37 Troll

MY MEMORY IS THAT OF A SMALL GRAPE

seriously, I don’t get how people win so much at BJ. Every damn time I try I lose. It doesn’t help that I usually try betting my last 1000  after repairing and buying new drugs.

Where do people find these incredible strategies? 1000 scoops for crying out loud!

I’d kill to net some flezz so i could build up a stockpile of drugs and game items.

Sancdar

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35

[Team Shortbus]

Level 50 Camwhore

LCC club

The most important thing is to build up a good bank first. Even with a very low house edge, bad luck can drop you 20 or 30 grand in one fell swoop easily.

Marcos El Ma-
lo

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Level 10 Troll

“Pain in the ASCII”

Sancdar Posted:

Most casinos that have single-deck blackjack tables pay 6:5 on a BJ now.

GTFO! You’re ****ting me.

Hell, why doesn’t CZ just rig the game? They Gamble Bot could give 100:1 odds on Black Jack, but never pay out because you’d never hit a 10 and and Ace. Log in to see images!

. . .

Maybe rigging the game isn’t such a bad idea. After you hit a certain level in a week, Gamblebot would start stacking the deck. Maybe the level would be variable, so those more prone to a gambling addiction might try and find that line (probably finding it the hard way).

Sancdar

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35

[Team Shortbus]

Level 50 Camwhore

LCC club

I didn’t use GB for like 3 weeks because the first sTalk message seemed so sketchy. Then I saw ET posting that the game wasn’t rigged, and ridiculous amounts of Anti-Freeze were born.

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