Amasius Posted:

I don’t see the problem with “leeching” – you sacrifice the visits of 4 alts and can’t do anything else (like disruption or winning medals) with them for the benefit of the 5th alt. Of course only one alt in a raid should get vanilla. If you have a few alts leeching in a raid all members will get less vanilla.

Basically raids are then a boost for your main, some vanilla scoops additional to those you get by soloing. Raids shouldn’t be too powerful but they can easily be balanced just by changing the number of participants. All those artificial restrictions like only one raid every 60 hours wouldn’t be necessary.

Maybe you’re right. I guess the question is, are we comfortable giving people with alts a boost in Domination. If the answer is “yes” then we should allow alts into raids, limit scoops to one alt and move forward.

As long as you allow people to play with more than one alt, alts give a boost in domination anyway. You can push forums, interrupt, and help out klanmates in other brackets, which ultimately helps you. If you have only one character, you’re at a pretty big disadvantage before you even take raiding into account. All keeping alts out of raids will really do is limit who can realistically raid and give you a false sense of security that alts aren’t an advantage.

plk Posted:

As long as you allow people to play with more than one alt, alts give a boost in domination anyway. You can push forums, interrupt, and help out klanmates in other brackets, which ultimately helps you. If you have only one character, you’re at a pretty big disadvantage before you even take raiding into account. All keeping alts out of raids will really do is limit who can realistically raid and give you a false sense of security that alts aren’t an advantage.

Yeah, I realize that. Thus why we’re still discussing what should be done. Log in to see images!

Amasius Posted:

This is pretty ironic considering that in the past you could buy unlimited alts and use them for klan raids.

That’s because in the past Domination was not balanced. The game was never meant to be exploited in this manner. You can use your alts to cycle the 12th forum from a raid, or to run interference, plk is right, this is a pretty good advantage in and of itself.

FalCoN Posted:

By the way, you might want to consider to influence klan raiding in a way that it becomes more challenging than it is atm. For example, introducing a harsh time limit (e.g. 30 minutes/day) could make sure that klan raiding still remains attractive for competitive players without making it too exhausting.

Any thoughts about this? Yeah, I’m aware that the suggestion is totally opposed to where the recent Domination changes were going, but it might be not that bad after all. It basically means that leeching with a character is fine, but you’re very much limited in regards of Log in to see images!

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

At any rate, the changes I’ve mentioned will happen on Wednesday. I’m open to other things with regards to alts allowed into raids, leeching, limiting/separating solo vs klan vanilla.

I’ve said my opinion, so I’m going to leave it up to the community to discuss.

Yesterday, you were talking about upping the solo vanilla within a raid to the same as a solo outside of a raid. Follow me here for a second.

This gives a player the same number of scoops (actually, more) than if they leeched in a raid and solo’d by themselves. Solo 72, plus raid 133 (bumuming 11 chars actually pwning) for a total of 205.

Let’s say you have a raid with 4 mains that want to leech and 9 alts that are pwning forums. bumuming 12 visits on the 9 alts, you still only get 97 scoops from the raid, plus what any other solo player would get. Add the 72 solos that the leeching player would get and you only have 169 scoops.

There’s nothing you can do to stop leeching entirely. You can make it heavily discouraged and you can make it so klannies get ****ed at each other if it happens, but if there’s a an agreement to do it, you’re never going to stop it.

So where’s the harm in allowing the alts into the raid, effectively decreasing the scoop return for the mains and letting people have their fun?

Now that most klans have had their testing raids to see what’s actually changed and how those changes affect them (and basically discarded raiding as much of an option), I’d be shocked to see more than 10 raids this week – and I’d put money on those also being testing raids.

Requiring 10-13 different people to be online at the same time and willing to raid for an effective scoop return is just unrealistic.

To the people who ended up making Domination useless:

I have an idea. Why don’t you use your heads and think **** out before you do things, so you won’t have to have ten failed revisions before you get to something acceptable?

Your game may have hundreds of players, but like 75% of those are alts of Amasius, Mee, Scully, Ricket, etc. All they had to do in your game was to play Domination and raiding. Then, since a bunch of whiny ****es decided raiding was broken because they were losing (due ONLY to lack of effort; when they tried, they won) complained, you decided it needed… whatever the hell you call these changes. Now, and for the foreseeable future, nobody with a brain is going to raid. It takes 13 PERFECTLY cooperating accounts to raid decently, but just ONE or a couple to make raiding a waste of time through interruption. Did you think how easy it is to interrupt raids now, under this new structure? Probably not. Even though it’s your game, and I’ve been around little over a month.

I’d advise you stick to writing content, which is pretty good, and stay the **** away from gameplay mechanics. For that, listen to the players who are enthusiastic but don’t have some personal agenda to push. Whatever you do, don’t listen to yourselves. I think I’ve seen enough in my semi-interested month here to see what that leads to.

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Big Bang Posted:

non-rp

Yup, user banned. Constructive comments only, thanks.

Just a thought here, could there be 2 sets of domination brackets, seperated to “mains” and “alts”? Each player designates 1 player that is forever eligible for the “mains” game. In the “mains” game the current 5 alt limit is actually just limited to that 1 character. None of the players other alts have any impact at all, they don’t effect forums pwned, can’t interfere, won’t be in “mains” raids, nothing. The “alts” brackets are exactly like the game was a month ago, except the “main” character is excluded (being in the other domination game.)

I probably didn’t write this up very good, but I’ll read people’s comments and try to explain what I’m thinking better.

I like that idea, Wylin. Considering that Dom is the only real option available at the end-game, I’d love to be able to use all of my alts.