Alt changes are definitely the most useful fix bumuming that a) they are ghosted for that week (just like cheaters they don’t count for or against the klan totals) and b) they can still collect individual peens for streaks and what not.

Limiting the number of alts that anyone player can bring to the party should go a long way to limiting the number of klan vanilla scoops gained and would also help solve the perpetual problem with alt stacking. This would encourage klans to expand membership in order to increase potential klan raiding gains making domination a more inclusive rather than exclusive game.

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Alt changes: Allow only X characters to participate in dom each week; it would likely auto-select the first 5 characters to earn scoops that week; outstanding characters can’t be marked as pwning forums; no alts in the same bracket

Votin’ for this one.

I’m not sure the raid changes would be necessary if that gets implemented. I guess we’ll see.

So what you’re saying is, it’s fine for people to buy a ton of alts to hoard medals. But once some changes are implemented that encourage more than 3-4 people to work together, it’s biased against the people with tons of alts who work together to hoard medals? I don’t think that is very productive thinking.

plk Posted:

My only concern with alt changes is that then, medals will pretty much go to whoever has the most people in the same klan in your particular bracket. So if you want it to be all about individual achievement or how well you work together, that doesn’t really do it, either, if it’s really about filling up a bracket with klanmates. Though they do have to be active and get scoops, so maybe it’s fine. I think it might be more fun if there were more of different types of medals to be had, so that everyone isn’t either blocking each other or just going for the same three medals.

So the jist of what I’m reading in your comment is while it’s fine for people to abuse the current system in an attempt to lock up medals, you are opposed to a system that might enable members of another currently larger klan to dominate based on sheer numbers?

I bumume that you feel that you would be unwelcome in this klan and would likely get targeted relentlessly thereby blocking you from medalling except in the early part of a season?

My response to this is that any system that rewards cooperative play is going to provide an edge to the most organized group. In the past that has been SoQTR and then KoLOL followed by Good Omens/E2B/BoD. Each of those klans were clearly able to dominate the playing field during the height of their power. That isn’t to say that unaffiliated players haven’t been successful in coming up with coping strategies.

By limiting alts there will be a drastic reduction in the amount of klan vanilla in play. That will immediately make the top bracket competitive (currently it’s by no means competitive). Further limiting alts will prevent players like meeeee, amasius, malaise, scully, etc from alt stacking in order to dominate the lower brackets. Simply put plutonium donations won’t buy you automatic medals anymore. I don’t see that as a bad thing.

Finally the limits on ties are a good practical limit on the effective size of klans. Either you need to be willing to maybe get a medal every 3-4 weeks or a big klan with lots of competive players is going to be a limiting factor. So realistically the oversized version of brainfreeze that exists now would likely shed a huge number of alts as some people would continue to raid, some people would focus on solo domination, and some people might just keep an alt or 2 in there for a sense of community.

My point was that the new changes might empower large somewhat organized klans (the former would certain qualify the behemoths like 7VD or ED – the second doesn’t). However we aren’t sure of that at the current time.

However we can be fairly certain that it would prevent klan vanilla from completely overwhelming the top bracket (which nobody can deny currently happens). Further if implemented correctly this would also solve the problem of having solo players with 4+ alts in the same bracket using team tactics to ensure that one of the alts gets medals (obviously also happening currently).

So with one relatively simple coding job (cheaters already don’t count in terms of forums pwned so ET should be able to reuse some of the code- a good thing) you can knock out 2 of the biggest complaints with the current implementation of domination.

Further Bingebot has indicated multiple times that domination is a work in progress and that he favors incremental improvements rather than wholesale rewriting the code. Thus it can be logically inferred that if this proposed fix breaks certain things, other fixes can be used to patch, etc.

The ultimate goal shouldn’t really be about pleasing the people at the top of the medal leaderboards but should instead be focused on improving the gameplay for new players. Considering that with the level cap in place most people can easily make lvl 35 providing a fun and enjoyable endgame experience for the entire community rather than a rather small subsection should be the priority.

Amasius Posted:

All changes are good and necessary, but I think the alt changes should be implemented first because it would fix the two biggest problems dom has right now. And hurry up, I already have 7 alts in the three highest brackets. Log in to see images!

8 alts in the top 3 brackets now. Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous. It can’t be very difficult and time consuming to implement this and I think it’s more important than a new silly peen. (Not that there is something wrong with new peens)

That’s all I’m asking for, thanks. This little fix should make the game in the middle and top brackets much fairer. Log in to see images!

I support scully and amasius on this issue as well.

Bling Fling Posted:

Problem with limiting alts: people paid for them. People spent countless hours raising them. Now I’m all for a solution that fixes alt stacking or buying medals via raids, but there are many different ideas out there that do not **** paying customers in the bum.

Alts were never sold as a way to do better in Domination.

“Play through the game as another clbum, or try again and do things differently. ”

As I’m sure you’re aware ET’s outlook on paying is that you shouldn’t have to do it to be able to compete in Forumwarz. Thus why the cheats exclude you from Domination altogether. Having more than 1 character participate in Domination could be considered a “cheat” based on the behaviour we’re seeing.

Bling Fling Posted:

I don’t want to use my alts to give other alts an advantage. I’d just like to play domination <number_of_alts> times. Fix bracket stacking, fix raiding, whatever. Don’t turn the bulk of my characters into useless pieces of ****.

For now the easiest fix is to limit the number of alts. Similar to how we removed ties (and have recently brought them back) or stopped alts from appearing in their own brackets (yes it used to be this way) this alteration may change over time (again).

Once the alt issue is dealt with we will look to address raids, end times (to help euro players), medals.. we can always revisit the alt restriction, but if alts EVER end up in an inactive bracket where they can get 3+medals, that’s not a good thing. So simply saying “alts can’t be in the same bracket” doesn’t work if you have more then 5 alts and you end up in an inactive bracket. Let’s improve the game and get more active users so that even if you have 20 alts in 20 different brackets, every bracket will be active.