I’d be comfortable with being banned for shenanigans, but people who have talked to me know that I have strange views on morality and accepting punishments. I think overall people would be more comfortable if they were getting banned from civil discussion instead of all of the forums for CD offenses, much more than just separating game/community.

Discretionary bans should also be treated differently from clear rule-breaking, in that they ought to be short and not add up the way other bans do. Tubs banning me from the community for a day or two for calling him out using a semi-private conversation was totally fine (regarding my ban, not the issue itself). A ban for a week or month or whatever would not be.

But yes, I agree that the edge-pushers talking about modding is to some degree another form of the same game that people have been playing for months. Arguing about modding decisions and policy is actually fun regardless of how productive it is. It’s drama/trolling that can’t be ignored easily and won’t devolve into unfunny bull**** like “hurp durp your name is emoh unter isn’t it”. Everything that’s being said should be taken with a grain of salt, as always.

I think part of the problem is the difficulty of pinning down a set of clearly defined rules, such that there aren’t large grey areas or loopholes, while maintaining the original intent of those rules. Taken to the extreme you get something like the legal code of a country – a vast mbum of statutes covered with a morbum of amendments and sub-clauses, all of which requires trained specialists to understand, interpret, argue about and judge legality/illegality.

You might want to put some time into additional coding for the internet courtroom, let the rules become too “clearly defined” and you’ll need it for enforcing them.

man-man Posted:

I think part of the problem is the difficulty of pinning down a set of clearly defined rules, such that there aren’t large grey areas or loopholes, while maintaining the original intent of those rules. Taken to the extreme you get something like the legal code of a country – a vast mbum of statutes covered with a morbum of amendments and sub-clauses, all of which requires trained specialists to understand, interpret, argue about and judge legality/illegality.

At the risk of sounding too old-farty, that sort of **** is why back in my day, when we had TEXT ONLY AND WE LIKED IT GODDAMNIT NOW GET OFFA MY LAWN – read, when MUDs were kings, queens, the alpha and omega – and I ran some, my rules were simple. Be a male reproductive organ, get banned. I get to say what being a male reproductive organ is, and it’s not a democracy. Rules lawyers hated it, but it made things nice and simple. I used to get a lot of complaints about it one place, but then I quit (tired of the complaints) and got replaced by one of those rules lawyers. It wasn’t long before people were asking me why I had to go and quit.

TL;DR: If you want clearly defined rules and regulations, careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

Every community I’ve been part of since about 0.5 seconds after I got ‘net access has gone through this, btw. Cool people get ****ed off and leave, while the bumholes never seem to go away. It really sucks. But life goes on.

I hope that enough cool people stick around here that the Ep3 stuff we’re working on is appreciated by people who understand. The best part about games for me has always been helping to create something other people enjoy, and I think and hope the community will enjoy Ep3.

duca Posted:

For the most part I’ve stayed out of this discussion but there is a point I would very much like to make. Crotch Zombie appointed the individuals as our mods because they decided that they were the ones who could best decide what is and is not appropriate for flamebate. Should we not be able to trust them to make the kinds of decisions that are necessary? There will always be something that falls outside of the preset rules and the mods should and most be able to deal with these issues in an appropriate fashion. Having a core rule set is essential of course, but aside from the big ones mods should be able to use their common sense. People will always try to break the rules after all.

I don’t really trust all of the mods.

ChilePepino Posted:

I don’t really trust all of the mods.

I mean, I trust some of the mods to do a nice job in CD and others to do it on RP. While others i don’t really trust at all.

Absolutely not, I do not blindly trust CZ. I do not trust their mod selections, especially since we have had plenty of time to see those in action. I do not trust the majority of the people selected for Ep 3, as I do not have any information about you guys whatsoever (like seeing actual examples of writing and humor). I have personally seen ET give a joke ban at the same time I got a real one. I have seen him be kind of wishy-washy and “settle-down, children” about things and I have seen overreactions from CZ members as well.

Don’t just agree with everything because someone owns a website. Anyone can with like 5 bucks.

1337xxxxxxxxxlolololololololololxxxxxxxxx1337 Posted:

Absolutely not, I do not blindly trust CZ.

The real question is, do you trust them to do what THEY think is best for the site? Even if you don’t think it is?

Because when it comes down to it, it’s their site. If they want to intentionally drive away all the old players (and I’m not saying that’s the case, I’m just throwing hypotheticals), that’s not a wise choice IMO but it’s their decision to make. If they want to try to satisfy the vocal minority, or try to attract more of the silent majority, isn’t that their choice?

IMO the responsibility they have is to try to please the majority of players they’ve attracted to the site, and it’s my belief that this is what they’re trying to do. Are they getting it right all of the time? Probably not, but they’re trying.

And it’s an evolving process. Most things change relatively quickly on this site, even though it seems like ages because we live in an instant gratification society. Things will eventually shake out to whatever they will shake out to be.

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ChilePepino Posted:

I trust those who selected the mods to do what is best for their business.

Ninja’d by someone who uses a lot less words than I do.

1337xxxxxxxxxlolololololololololxxxxxxxxx1337 Posted:

Yes, MCB,

If they feel a constant flow of new members exists, will pay them, and is attainable, then I guess they’ve really got no reason to cater to older members in any way.

I think it’s not a very wise decision, since most new players won’t donate ****, but Log in to see images!

Well, clearly there’s something about this environment that people enjoy or we’d all be ****posting on Fingerz’s board by now instead.