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Business Domination Enhancements Thread

elenaratelim-
it

Avatar: 24791 2010-03-21 18:12:06 -0400
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[Team Shortbus]

Level 44 Troll

chica bonita

liking the solo vanilla thing Log in to see images!

Adeptus

Avatar: 11389 Thu Oct 16 15:20:36 -0400 2008
18

[Board of Directors]

Level 35 Emo Kid

“Cutty Cutterson”

My views on the changes :

Limiting card numbers is interesting and may work well, but I think 30 may be too low.

No ties is just gonna fragment raiding klans, which hardly seems fair. Maybe 3-tie max instead of 5? Splitting the top bracket better or limiting numbers in each bracket would help here too.

Solo vanilla changes are just gonna help klan raiders even further. If this becomes permanent you’ll pretty much have to limit to one scoop for solo dom for raiders. Both of these changes together would be vewwy interesting though.

One character per raid seems like an excellent idea, should clear the lower brackets of towers to a certain extent. However, this change wouldn’t sit well with non-raiders not affecting the raid 12 count, since it hurts the effectiveness of people in small klans or unusual timezones. (I bumume alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid?)

No strong feelings on bumhole changes, really, but doesn’t this make the shotgun a bit redundant?

Not too happy with changing 12-12-12 to 12-11-12 etc. Mostly, this’ll just make raids longer without really affecting scoop count, which seemed to always be part of what put off casual players from raiding in the first place. We still had ridiculous ep2beta towers back before the 12-12-12 thing was even figured out.

Not sure about limiting raid size. I personally don’t like it, but I’ve got no good reasons to justify myself.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

Adeptus Posted:

No ties is just gonna fragment raiding klans, which hardly seems fair.

PD said pretty much the same thing. I’m honestly curious: Is there anyone not in klan Beta who thinks this too?

Arktor

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[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

tame Posted:

Holy crap. So, how many klans knew about that bug?

SotQR, KoLoL, Ep 2 Beta, Brainfreeze. I can’t say how long any of them knew it for, and I know KoLoL never actually used it – they just knew about it because most of them were SotQR members.

Arktor

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24

[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

MC Banhammer Posted:

PD said pretty much the same thing. I’m honestly curious: Is there anyone not in klan Beta who thinks this too?

Honestly, I’ve heard a lot about how klans are about teamwork and one person sacrificing so another can win, so I don’t think it’ll be an issue.

To be fair, though, all but a couple of the people who have said this have been the ones benefiting from others.

Adeptus

Avatar: 11389 Thu Oct 16 15:20:36 -0400 2008
18

[Board of Directors]

Level 35 Emo Kid

“Cutty Cutterson”

MC Banhammer Posted:

PD said pretty much the same thing. I’m honestly curious: Is there anyone not in klan Beta who thinks this too?

I don’t think I’ve ever actually been in a position to tie with a klan member (check out my current domination group, ferinstance), and I still don’t like it very much. I do see your point though, so opinions from elsewhere would be nice.

Adeptus edited this message on 07/23/2008 5:28PM

emojah

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[Board of Directors]

Level 10 Emo Kid

“Gloomy Gus”

No ties? What are You trying to encourage here?? This week’s theme with no ties only leads to lack of participation in Domination.

Arktor

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24

[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

emojah Posted:

No ties? What are You trying to encourage here?? This week’s theme with no ties only leads to lack of participation in Domination.

How does it lead to lack of participation? it encourages teamwork. It encourages people to make deals – I win this week, you win next week – instead of just competing.

emojah

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[Board of Directors]

Level 10 Emo Kid

“Gloomy Gus”

isn’t funny how a bug(12/12/12) actually encourage people who dont raid to raid for the first time and enjoys it.

Pickled male reproductive organ-
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[Board of Directors]

Level 10 Camwhore

AHAHA HEADSETS

Adeptus Posted:

One character per raid seems like an excellent idea, should clear the lower brackets of towers to a certain extent. However, this change wouldn’t sit well with non-raiders not affecting the raid 12 count, since it hurts the effectiveness of people in small klans or unusual timezones. (I bumume alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid?)

I agree, taking alts/unjoined members out of contribution to the 12 will discourage small clan raiding, and make domination for big clans only.

the 10 members per raid thing would make raiding a small clan only thing. (one alt per raid is a perfect middle ground)

the two in conjunction will make raids pointless.

Pickled Dickbutt edited this message on 07/23/2008 3:03PM

emojah

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[Board of Directors]

Level 10 Emo Kid

“Gloomy Gus”

Arktor Posted:

How does it lead to lack of participation? it encourages teamwork. It encourages people to make deals – I win this week, you win next week – instead of just competing.

making deals is participation? read carefully!

meeeeeeeeee

Avatar: 15443 2010-04-04 18:27:25 -0400
49

[Brainfreeze]

Level 35 Troll

Sneakily vicious and filled with virtuous pit bulls.

Changing from 12-12-12 to 12-11-12 will mean unklanned alts will be used again for pushing. Also as mentioned klanned alts to take all the anchors before the raid starts, so all members of the raid can gain the maximum from their visits.

All together it’s quite interesting. The raid size is limited (though multiple raids can take place) but how will certain members justify joining multiple raids, if they can’t contribute directly to them – they’ll have their alts, but they’ll still be reliant on other players to push their totals up. So there’s an added strategic and social element here. A Ronin player with many alts who is well liked could be quite powerful depending on certain factors.

BINGEBOT 2015

Avatar: 38 2010-12-05 22:39:25 -0500

Level 12 Troll

I AM A GIANT FART FACE

Adeptus Posted:

My views on the changes :

Limiting card numbers is interesting and may work well, but I think 30 may be too low.

No ties is just gonna fragment raiding klans, which hardly seems fair. Maybe 3-tie max instead of 5? Splitting the top bracket better or limiting numbers in each bracket would help here too.

Solo vanilla changes are just gonna help klan raiders even further. If this becomes permanent you’ll pretty much have to limit to one scoop for solo dom for raiders. Both of these changes together would be vewwy interesting though.

One character per raid seems like an excellent idea, should clear the lower brackets of towers to a certain extent. However, this change wouldn’t sit well with non-raiders not affecting the raid 12 count, since it hurts the effectiveness of people in small klans or unusual timezones. (I bumume alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid?)

No strong feelings on bumhole changes, really, but doesn’t this make the shotgun a bit redundant?

Not too happy with changing 12-12-12 to 12-11-12 etc. Mostly, this’ll just make raids longer without really affecting scoop count, which seemed to always be part of what put off casual players from raiding in the first place. We still had ridiculous ep2beta towers back before the 12-12-12 thing was even figured out.

Not sure about limiting raid size. I personally don’t like it, but I’ve got no good reasons to justify myself.

We’ll see about the No Ties. I’m open to SOME ties. Agreed about Solo Vanilla. So we’ll see what happens this week.

Yes, for now.. Alts can still contribute to the 12 count in this scheme even if they’re not part of the raid. Not sure if I’m going to keep that or not.

Shotgun isn’t redundant because you can target who you attack. bumhole is always against the most scoops tower.

I see your point about the 12-12-12 but that method was never intended for raiding. Natural turnover was. And the fact that it takes more time is OK IMO. Because you get more scoops then Solo Raiding. So it should take more time and effort.

B2015

Arktor

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[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

The raid size is limited (though multiple raids can take place) but how will certain members justify joining multiple raids, if they can’t contribute directly to them – they’ll have their alts, but they’ll still be reliant on other players to push their totals up.

I’m sorry, I honestly didn’t follow this – could you explain it for me?

meeeeeeeeee

Avatar: 15443 2010-04-04 18:27:25 -0400
49

[Brainfreeze]

Level 35 Troll

Sneakily vicious and filled with virtuous pit bulls.

In all honesty I haven’t fully thought this through yet, just wanted to say something so I didn’t feel left out Log in to see images!

Basically a player who wants to earn more vanilla, needs to leech scoops from more raid participants, or join more raids without directly contributing to the scoop count (though alts will still be valuable as a second line depending on how this works in practice)

BINGEBOT 2015

Avatar: 38 2010-12-05 22:39:25 -0500

Level 12 Troll

I AM A GIANT FART FACE

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

In all honesty I haven’t fully thought this through yet, just wanted to say something so I didn’t feel left out Log in to see images!

Basically a player who wants to earn more vanilla, needs to leech scoops from more raid participants, or join more raids without directly contributing to the scoop count (though alts will still be valuable as a second line depending on how this works in practice)

In general, Raid Admins shouldn’t let people sit in the Raid if they are not contributing. That’s also why I want to implement Raid Invites.

scully

Avatar: 12797 2011-08-15 04:41:50 -0400
77

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Camwhore

I'd build a road in gold just to have some dreaming...

Arktor Posted:

I’m sorry, I honestly didn’t follow this – could you explain it for me?

I believe they are implying that it will be difficult for a character with zero visits left to give good reason for joining a raid. meeeeeeeeee is full of honor and seriously lacking in sleazy loophole behavior.

crayoncakes

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[Team Shortbus]

Level 31 Troll

To Earthend and beyond!

emojah Posted:

isn’t funny how a bug(12/12/12) actually encourage people who dont raid to raid for the first time and enjoys it.

Uh, just to speak for my klan, we didn’t start raiding because of the bug, it’s more because we thought temporarily becoming all serious bus-ness would be funny.

Arktor

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[Smooth Town Rebels]

Level 10 Camwhore

Medal Ninja

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

In all honesty I haven’t fully thought this through yet, just wanted to say something so I didn’t feel left out Log in to see images!

Basically a player who wants to earn more vanilla, needs to leech scoops from more raid participants, or join more raids without directly contributing to the scoop count (though alts will still be valuable as a second line depending on how this works in practice)

Oh, I get it. Because after one raid they have no visits. Still, they could (for the time being) use an alt not in the raid to pwn forums, right?

Vuron

Avatar: 4928 2011-07-31 00:39:10 -0400
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[Team Shortbus]

Level 40 Emo Kid

Vile serpent! I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it.

Meeeeee’s idea is worthwhile but only for the small number of people that are friendly with multiple klans and who have enormous amounts of alts to throw at domination.

Scenario

Vuron takes his 12 alts and raids with E2B Wednesday night. He’s going to contribute 4 visits x 12 characters so nobody is going to complain if he has vuron be the alt that is going to join the raid. Vuron gains 200+ scoops from 2-3 hr raid but with the new rule changes doesn’t need to card down as much (woooot!)

The next day joins Brainfreeze for a thursday night raid. He’s willing to use 4 visits x 12 characters. Vuron gains another 200+ scoops.

Friday night he joins E2B (or another klan like TBC) again and just does 4 visits x 12 characters (sure it’s a bit chintzy but he’s still contributing 48 visits which is nothing to sneeze at). He likely gets another 200+ scoops.

Granted he’s unlikely to get 200+ every raid he joins and raiding everyday is seriously insane but for a relatively meager investment of 36 BPs he can pretty much raid every day and collect 1000+ vanilla.

This scenario is highly unlikely as few klans are going to allow a ronin to cycle through 7+ raids in a week but in theory it’s possible.

Etc, etc, etc

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