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not cool, thats my favorite torrent site |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 12:54PM | View SIG-ENABLING MOC...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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TUBSWEETIE Posted: This is exactly what I mean. You’re basically agreeing that their website was in fact engaging in illegal activities but you don’t think that they should be punished for that because there’s apparently a loophole in the law that means that TPB can’t be held responsible?
Also you can’t compare TPB to Google or YouTube for the simple reason that TPB did obviously focus on illegal content – trying to hide that is ridiculous. I can bumure you noone will ever win a lawsuit against Google or anyone else, this case doesn’t change a thing. Oleg edited this message on 04/17/2009 12:58PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 12:57PM | View Oleg's Profile | # | ||||||
It will be missed. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:03PM | View 36's Profile | # | ||||||
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Oleg Posted:
Sure, everyone knows they specifically focussed on illegal content. This however doesn’t mean they should all of a sudden change the rules and say: ok, you found a loophole, but we are punishing you anyway. That’s just as ridiculous as getting banned on fwz for some rule that wasn’t even invented until you posted what you did. What they SHOULD have done, is clear them, make new rules and fix the loophole, but they know this is absolutely impossible. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:05PM | View The Baroness's Profile | # | ||||||
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Oleg Posted:
I’m a Music Business major, and copyright law and intellectual property rights are what we learn the most about.
Oleg is 100% right. Stolen music accounted for 51% of all mp3 downloads last year; that’s 51% revenue for the companies and artists lost. That means they are having to DOUBLE the price on the rest of the music to make up for it.
Also, providing a service that lets people infringe is just as illegal. It’s called contributory infringement, and regardless of whether they’re causing the direct infringement, it’s just as illegal. Furthermore, it’s vicarious infringement as well, in that they are being compensated financially for infringement occurring under their supervision.
They deserve every bit of time that they get.
EDIT: Typo Shii edited this message on 04/17/2009 1:11PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:11PM | View Shii's Profile | # | ||||||
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They didn’t change the rules. They weren’t jailed for distributing illegal content but for aiding to distribute it. There were no newly-invented laws or anything.
To take up your example: There are no rules on Forumwarz that prohibit to DDoS the servers. However, I am quite certain that I’d get permabanned if I actually did this. This is just to explain why you can’t argue like this, but as explained above, it doesn’t even apply to this case.
What rather bothers me is the general attitude towards this lawsuit. Those people caused damage of several millions of dollars and shouldn’t be punished for that because the prosecuters are idiots? |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:12PM | View Oleg's Profile | # | ||||||
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Oleg Posted:
Same argument as forumwarz rules: you can’t choose to punish people for stuff that isn’t a rule.
the website wasn’t doing anything technically illegal in sweden. That’s why they were so popular and outspoken.
I dont think it’s fair to punish people for rules that don’t exist or don’t apply. (fwz parallelism ftw)
They deserved what they got but they didn’t deserve to get it by such bad prosecution and speicifcally for the website (not illegal) and not the tracker (closer to illegal). |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:13PM | View TUBSWEETIE's Profile | # | ||||||
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36 Posted:
The site is still up and running and will stay that way for the time being.
Twitter told me that.
Also what the ****, the prosecution did a horrible job and won without proving anything. This **** is rigged. Healbot edited this message on 04/17/2009 1:16PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:14PM | View Healbot's Profile | # | ||||||
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I’m a Swede and this is indeed a sad day. Also, the Ipred law is a horrible one (google it, I can’t be bothered to give you a link right now). |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:17PM | View Bauhaus_Girl's Profile | # | ||||||
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Healbot Posted:
It is. No really. Have you ever heard of the Chewbacca defense? Like on south park? Ok, it’s not exactly like that, but you can win a legal case without proving anything at all, easily. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:21PM | View MasterHaxxor's Profile | # | ||||||
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if music didn’t suck so bad people would actually buy albums. At least I buy the albums i like after i listen to them. So instead of doubling prices, why not stop making **** music….................................
Editting to add that if music was affordable, i’d buy even more albums, but 20+ dlls for just above average albums is bull****. ChilePepino edited this message on 04/17/2009 1:24PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:23PM | View ChilePepino's Profile | # | ||||||
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TUBSWEETIE i’m arguining technicalities in reference to what was actually doing wrong
TUBSWEETIE the website is fine imo, the tracker is what deserved the punishment DDevil okay, I agree that the tracker is far “worse” Log in to see images!
arguing technicalities itt. I think they deserve penalization but not for their website, for the tracker. The prosecution did a horrible job making that distinction. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:24PM | View TUBSWEETIE's Profile | # | ||||||
Wait, people actually used thepiratebay to download music?
Piratebay sucks for music, imo D:
I personally don’t think they deserved it, but it’s set in stone now. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:24PM | View Kilroy's Profile | # | ||||||
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ChilePepino Posted:
That still doesn’t give you the right to steal it. See my comments to Baronness making the exact same case on the previous page. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:26PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Did anyone actually READ my post?
EDIT: In case you didn’t, here you go: Oleg is 100% right. Stolen music accounted for 51% of all mp3 downloads last year; that’s 51% revenue for the companies and artists lost. That means they are having to DOUBLE the price on the rest of the music to make up for it.
Also, providing a service that lets people infringe is just as illegal. It’s called contributory infringement, and regardless of whether they’re causing the direct infringement, it’s just as illegal. Furthermore, it’s vicarious infringement as well, in that they are being compensated financially for infringement occurring under their supervision.
They deserve every bit of time that they get. Shii edited this message on 04/17/2009 1:27PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:27PM | View Shii's Profile | # | ||||||
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MC Banhammer Posted:
i didn’t say it is ok to steal them, i say i’d buy more. Because i actually buy the albums i like. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:28PM | View ChilePepino's Profile | # | ||||||
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Prices on everything are going to go up regardless. Theres jsut less you are going to do about it. A wise businessman (The ones more often labeled as these parts as greedy corporate bumholes) is going to raise prices even more. Luckily I’m not a fan of music. So I am jsut going to sit back and laugh. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:35PM | View dobnits's Profile | # | ||||||
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dobnits Posted:
Comedy albums will go up in price too Log in to see images!
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:37PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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MC Banhammer Posted:
The problem with that is that anyone who steals doesn’t care about having the right to steal (plus “the right to steal” is technically an oxymoron). The real problem I see with this is that the only true “punishment” that should be given out is making the people who actually downloaded the music pay for everything they got illegally, shutting down the sites and services that are used for this should be something separate. It seems to me that here they are just trying to make a big show of punishing someone to scare people away from downloading illegal music, but they are going about that wrong, punishing a small amount of people to scare a large group usually doesn’t work, that’s what the word “martyr” was invented for, things like this usually only make it worse. |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:37PM | View MasterHaxxor's Profile | # | ||||||
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Comedy albums aren’t based off the misfortune of others.
EDIT: Scratch that, alot of the schlock that is popular in “comedy” these days is in fact, at the misfortune of others. Interestingly, I’m not a fan of that either. dobnits edited this message on 04/17/2009 1:45PM |
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Posted On: 04/17/2009 1:43PM | View dobnits's Profile | # | ||||||
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