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Contest CONTEST: April 12th, 2009

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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[Board of Directors]

Level 35 Hacker

asdf

Easter Bunny Posted:

Welcome to the Sixth & Final Phase.

In this Final Phase, the Grand Prize is 5 Brownie Points. Winner take all.

Who will win? I have no idea. That’s actually for you to decide.

The first part of this Final Phase will be Discussion & Persuasion.

For the next two days, until 7 p.m. EST on Thursday, February 26th, you will explain to each other why you should be the Final Winner, and why they should be the Final Losers.

Tell your sad, sad story of lost love, demonstrate your manly might to impress the others, or try to persuade your fellow players with a little of the old ”Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, Governor?”

But you’ll need to convince them to at least toss a vote or two your way.

Why?

Because the second part of this Final Phase will be Secret Voting.

Here’s how you’ll vote during this part:

Each of you will have 6 Voting Stones and 1 Voting Cup.

For every Voting Stone you place in another Player’s Voting Cup, that Player earns 1 Vote.

For every Voting Stone that you place in your own Voting Cup, you earn 1/3 of a Vote.

For every Voting Stone that you do NOT use, you lose 1 Vote.

(Participation is Mandatory)

The player with the most Votes (not Stones) wins the entire prize. Your final Vote tally could range from -6 to +32.

You will Tubmail me your Voting Stone choices in secret. The Votes will not be revealed until all Votes are in.

Only the Secret Votes count. Regardless of what was discussed in the first stage, the official results will be based on the Tubmailed Votes. Once submitted, Votes cannot be changed, so be 100% sure before you Tubmail me.

The Secret Voting Phase will last for at least one day, or until all Votes are in.

In the event of a tie…

Well, let’s just say that will be even more evil.

The first part of the Final Phase will begin in 30 minutes, at 7 p.m. EST. Feel free to ask any questions at this time.

How exactly did Final Phase Part 1 start 30 minutes after your post? Does persuasion before 7 PM server time somehow “not count”? Is DOPE-HARDCORE-0 disqualified for trying to persuade us too early?

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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Dead Celebrity Seance Droid Mk-10 Posted:

It’s a nonRP forum, and we’ll never know who voted for who, but we will know who wins and I and my co-conspirator will know, should I win, whether or not my bargain was upheld.

If you’re actually DOPE-HARDCORE-O:

No one but you and the mods can tell who Tubmailed you first. Thus, no one knows with whom you should have split the pot.

DOPE-HARDCOR-
E-0

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[Team Shortbus]

Level 37 Troll

ALSO A male reproductive organSUCKING ****WAD

zagerblag Posted:

If you’re actually DOPE-HARDCORE-O:

No one but you and the mods can tell who Tubmailed you first. Thus, no one knows with whom you should have split the pot.

From your last few posts, I can see you are a very inexperienced at successfully trolling in non-RP forums.

E: And to address your concern, the person that I make the agreement with will know. If everyone else is left guessing, so be it.

DOPE-HARDCORE-0 edited this message on 02/24/2009 11:05PM

Obsidian Bla-
cksteel

Avatar: 114995 Thu Jun 04 19:11:28 -0400 2009

Level 30 Permanoob

“Shit-for-Brains”

1. I’ll be publicly listing the Votes after they have all been submitted, so that every player can verify that I tallied them up correctly. If this means that someone is ‘caught’ being deceptive, then that’s out of my hands. Choose who you trust very carefully. And remember, if there is a tie vote, we go to my Secret Tie-Breaker Round!

2. The ‘30 minute heads up’ was simply an informal notice. I see no problem with people discussing the situation prior to the ‘official’ start. What’s more critical is the stop time. Once that occurs, I will actually be requesting no more public discussion in this thread, and nothing more than direct Tubmails to me with your votes. No changing votes after you’ve sent them in.

I think it’s a pretty clear-cut contest. Feel free to continue asking questions, though.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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DOPE-HARDCORE-0 Posted:

From your last few posts, I can see you are a very inexperienced at successfully trolling in non-RP forums.

E: And to address your concern, the person that I make the agreement with will know. If everyone else is left guessing, so be it.

2 things:

1) I am not a troll; I do not post for the purpose of messing with other people. I consider none of my posts trolling, although the rules appear to say otherwise and I will have to accept the rules to participate in Forumwarz.

2) You could agree with everyone, and no one would be able to know for sure whether you did. Posted claims cannot be verified, and Tubmail is private. You could post screenshots, although a simple Greasemonkey script or bookmarklet would be enough to forge those perfectly. You could post videos, which would be more difficult to doctor, although both posting them and doctoring them would probably be too much work for the gain.

EDIT: Part 2 of this post is now obsolete.

zagerblag edited this message on 02/24/2009 11:15PM

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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Easter Bunny Posted:

1. I’ll be publicly listing the Votes after they have all been submitted, so that every player can verify that I tallied them up correctly. If this means that someone is ‘caught’ being deceptive, then that’s out of my hands. Choose who you trust very carefully. And remember, if there is a tie vote, we go to my Secret Tie-Breaker Round!

2. The ‘30 minute heads up’ was simply an informal notice. I see no problem with people discussing the situation prior to the ‘official’ start. What’s more critical is the stop time. Once that occurs, I will actually be requesting no more public discussion in this thread, and nothing more than direct Tubmails to me with your votes. No changing votes after you’ve sent them in.

I think it’s a pretty clear-cut contest. Feel free to continue asking questions, though.

That makes things much more clear. People still aren’t held to their claims, though, and the game structure makes lying far more admissible than in a meatspace prisoner’s dilemma with serious things at stake, such as the clbumic jail time.

DOPE-HARDCOR-
E-0

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[Team Shortbus]

Level 37 Troll

ALSO A male reproductive organSUCKING ****WAD

zagerblag Posted:

That makes things much more clear. People still aren’t held to their claims, though, and the game structure makes lying far more admissible than in a meatspace prisoner’s dilemma with serious things at stake, such as the clbumic jail time.

Exactly why I’ve gone above the table with my offer. At least with me, there is something on the public record that demonstrates I have an end to hold up. With everyone else, you can expect only deceit.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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DOPE-HARDCORE-0 Posted:

Exactly why I’ve gone above the table with my offer. At least with me, there is something on the public record that demonstrates I have an end to hold up. With everyone else, you can expect only deceit.

You have a public record of a bargain to uphold, but there is still nothing to make you uphold it. Breaking promises is an integral part of the prisoner’s dilemma; I think everyone temporarily stops taking their promises seriously when they enter a (EDIT: staged) prisoner’s dilemma. I’m considering running a contest for my votes, although I’m not sure whether that’s legal.

zagerblag edited this message on 02/24/2009 11:24PM

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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Whoops, I forgot that the Internet Attorney minigame is available before you buy Episode 2.

Acid Flux

Avatar: 6767 Tue Mar 17 11:41:54 -0400 2009
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[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Troll

KYOUBAI IS SUPER-SERIOUS BUSINESS

zagerblag Posted:

I’m considering running a contest for my votes, although I’m not sure whether that’s legal.

Hmm, that’s kind of interesting. Read the Contest forum main rules thread to be sure.

-MLF-

Avatar: 83146 Sun Jan 18 18:56:12 -0500 2009
6

Level 60 Hacker

“Cracking Addict”

zagerblag Posted:

I’m considering running a contest for my votes, although I’m not sure whether that’s legal.

It’s legal, but it needs to end by 7:00PM EST tomorrow.

I’d consider hurrying Log in to see images!

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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[Board of Directors]

Level 35 Hacker

asdf

Easter Bunny Posted:

Welcome to the Sixth & Final Phase.

In this Final Phase, the Grand Prize is 5 Brownie Points. Winner take all.

Who will win? I have no idea. That’s actually for you to decide.

The first part of this Final Phase will be Discussion & Persuasion.

For the next two days, until 7 p.m. EST on Thursday, February 26th, you will explain to each other why you should be the Final Winner, and why they should be the Final Losers.

Tell your sad, sad story of lost love, demonstrate your manly might to impress the others, or try to persuade your fellow players with a little of the old ”Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, Governor?”

But you’ll need to convince them to at least toss a vote or two your way.

Why?

Because the second part of this Final Phase will be Secret Voting.

Here’s how you’ll vote during this part:

Each of you will have 6 Voting Stones and 1 Voting Cup.

For every Voting Stone you place in another Player’s Voting Cup, that Player earns 1 Vote.

For every Voting Stone that you place in your own Voting Cup, you earn 1/3 of a Vote.

For every Voting Stone that you do NOT use, you lose 1 Vote.

(Participation is Mandatory)

The player with the most Votes (not Stones) wins the entire prize. Your final Vote tally could range from -6 to +32.

You will Tubmail me your Voting Stone choices in secret. The Votes will not be revealed until all Votes are in.

Only the Secret Votes count. Regardless of what was discussed in the first stage, the official results will be based on the Tubmailed Votes. Once submitted, Votes cannot be changed, so be 100% sure before you Tubmail me.

The Secret Voting Phase will last for at least one day, or until all Votes are in.

In the event of a tie…

Well, let’s just say that will be even more evil.

The first part of the Final Phase will begin in 30 minutes, at 7 p.m. EST. Feel free to ask any questions at this time.

If people don’t respond, what happens? For example, if I just stopped paying any attention whatsoever to this contest, would I be disqualified? If so, when? Would you just continue with me still in the running and eligible to win?

What can we do with Voting Stones and Voting Cups? Is the only action possible with Voting Stones and Voting Cups “put stone in cup x”? You probably just want me to cast 6 votes and stop worrying about the metaphor.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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Acid Flux Posted:

Hmm, that’s kind of interesting. Read the Contest forum main rules thread to be sure.

I think the best part is the fact that I would actually have something to lose by breaking my promises.

DOPE-HARDCOR-
E-0

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[Team Shortbus]

Level 37 Troll

ALSO A male reproductive organSUCKING ****WAD

Breathe.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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MeatLoafFan Posted:

It’s legal, but it needs to end by 7:00PM EST tomorrow.

I’d consider hurrying Log in to see images!

7:00PM EST Thursday, not 7:00 PM EST tomorrow.

I remember seeing a thread where someone asked what valid contest rewards were, but I don’t remember where I saw it.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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DOPE-HARDCORE-0 Posted:

Breathe.

Done. Now what?

Obsidian Bla-
cksteel

Avatar: 114995 Thu Jun 04 19:11:28 -0400 2009

Level 30 Permanoob

“Shit-for-Brains”

zagerblag Posted:

If people don’t respond, what happens? For example, if I just stopped paying any attention whatsoever to this contest, would I be disqualified? If so, when? Would you just continue with me still in the running and eligible to win?

What can we do with Voting Stones and Voting Cups? Is the only action possible with Voting Stones and Voting Cups “put stone in cup x”? You probably just want me to cast 6 votes and stop worrying about the metaphor.

[sarcasm]Actually, the first person to discover the actual riddle in my Phase Six post, and solve it, wins 10,000 BP…[/sarcasm]

No, really, no symbolism here. It really is just what it appears to be. Putting six stones into the cups. Most Votes wins.

And before you make a contest within a contest, check with McBanner first.

I don’t know if Toxx technically applies to contestants. But that’s not my responsibility. I know that I’m going to be awarding 5 BP to the person with the most Votes in three days, per my above rules, and if there is a tie vote, we go to my Secret Tie-Breaker Round.

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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[Board of Directors]

Level 35 Hacker

asdf

Easter Bunny Posted:

[sarcasm]Actually, the first person to discover the actual riddle in my Phase Six post, and solve it, wins 10,000 BP…[/sarcasm]

No, really, no symbolism here. It really is just what it appears to be. Putting six stones into the cups. Most Votes wins.

And before you make a contest within a contest, check with McBanner first.

I don’t know if Toxx technically applies to contestants. But that’s not my responsibility. I know that I’m going to be awarding 5 BP to the person with the most Votes in three days, per my above rules, and if there is a tie vote, we go to my Secret Tie-Breaker Round.

I want to have Posted:

I steal everyone else’s Voting Stones and hide them.

but I have more self control than that. Not enough self-control to resist making this joke, but still, I have some self-control.

-MLF-

Avatar: 83146 Sun Jan 18 18:56:12 -0500 2009
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Level 60 Hacker

“Cracking Addict”

Well, we’re in a non-rp forum, so shouldn’t it count anyway?

zagerblag

Avatar: 102042 Wed Jun 03 22:55:29 -0400 2009
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MeatLoafFan Posted:

Well, we’re in a non-rp forum, so shouldn’t it count anyway?

I don’t know. Promise enforcement breaks the prisoner’s dilemma, though.

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