BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

FalCoN Posted:

What would you think about allowing multiple klan raids to take place simultaneously? It seems that the new system makes this possible.

I have been considering this and have a ticket in the system for it to get done. That being said, I’m still not convinced that we should do it. Want to convince me? Log in to see images!

Would this mean that 20 people hold 12 forums or 20 people hold 24 forums?

At what point does the klan vanilla get distributed?

twas edited this message on 01/27/2009 11:07PM

was Posted:

Would this mean that 20 people hold 12 forums or 20 people hold 24 forums?

At what point does the klan vanilla get distributed?

In theory it would be two groups of 10 people. Each group would need to own 12 different forums. bumuming that both raids would want to help each other then could, in theory have 11 anchor forums and toggle back and forth on a 12th. I’m not sure if this is a good idea, or bad idea yet Log in to see images!

In theory you could do that come Wednesday with two raids from different klans.

MC Banhammer Posted:

Sounds like a horrible idea to me, as a solo player. I was guessing the point of the change which limited participants to 10 was to make it harder for klan members to jump on the bandwagon and pick up free scoops. Each simultaneous raid adds another 10.

10 players who will be earning less scoops overall – unless someone has the agreement of their klannies to leech off their raids throughout the week, which will become part of the strategy and a trade-off. If too many players try to leech, there won’t be enough spots in the raids for alts with visits to use…

If you’ve got enough players to do two raids simultaneously (one raiding from a temp klan) you could push each others forums, making things go even quicker.

Malaise Posted:

Someone do the math on this for me. Will this actually require the raid members to use their visits to earn raid scoops? If so would that limit a raid to 108 vanilla per member per raid?

At 10 members per raid with only raid members visits counting (and having a reduced alt pool due to the 5 alt limit), yes 108 scoops is the max any raid can produce. I doubt raids will produce that, since there will likely be 1 – 4 members per raid saving visits for solo running.

The system instantly nerfs the big klan raiding (and certainly those that just clicked join raid several times a day and picked up scoops due to huge member count.) A small skilled group is going to be able to work the system, but it will depend on how much time they are willing to invest and whether or not they care about playing multiple characters vs having a single main character that they focus on.

Really, we’re going to know after a week or two if it is enough. I know BINGE brought up the idea of nerfing solo vanilla in the future to compensate for the restricted raiding, but I don’t think he is thinking about the fact that klan raiders solo raid while not joined to a klan raid as well. The only reason I can think of to reduce solo vanilla would be if clicking the “Join Raid” excluded a player from collecting solo vanilla for the week.

I think maybe it’s time to start playing Incit for scoops again

Well, that is a silly thing to think. Why would a player use the visits on his main when he could bank them for 72 solo vanilla. The sacrifice of 12 klan vanilla for an extra 72 solo scoops is not a hard sacrifice to make.

Regardless, we’re going to find out in the next week or so whether allowing alts to join raid creates a bigger problem than it solves or if the true restriction to 5 characters will put an automatic balance on it. It looks like it will favor raiders who heavily use alts instead of additional players. Obviously it is going to toss chunks of vanilla onto characters that were very minimally effective in any given bracket before.

Acid Flux Posted:

Why the decision to set Max Raid size at 10? IMHO, 13 would be a more fair number (1 Raid Leader, 12 Raiders).

This is a good idea. Here’s my logic. 10 characters x 12 visits each = 120 visits – 11 visits (to own the first 11 forums) = 109 potential scoops for a raid. When 72 possible from a solo vanilla, the benefit of 35 doesn’t really encourage raiding. So I’m upping the limit to 13.

13 characters x 12 visits each = 156 visits – 11 visits (to own the first 11 forums) = 145 potential scoops for a raid. That’s a potential double the scoops for klan vanilla over solo vanilla.

So if you klan raid you won’t DOMINATE your bracket, but you will have an advantage.

FalCoN Posted:

Make it 12, 13 is a sucky number. Or make it 14, whatever.

You’re a yucky number. Do the math, 13 works best Log in to see images!

MC Banhammer Posted:

I kinda liked the 10. It leads to more strategy IMO since you can’t have everyone holding an anchor — you’d have to risk losing more than one while trying to recover another one.

I think that Acid Fluxx brought up a good point in that I want to maintain the benefit of raiding and 109 scoops compared to 72, isn’t really worth it. 2 times the scoops is.

So I’d consider dropping solo raiding to 7 per dom (63 scoops) and making the raid limit 12 (12 * 12 = 144 – 11 = 133 – 63 = 70). That math works in my head.

So.. solo dom 7 scoops per. raid limit to 12 (or 11 I guess – to MC Banhammers point). Discuss.

First is build, second is balance.

No more changes pre-launch. We can make other changes for next weeks round.