OrsonScottCard Posted:

Never said you were.

And FYI, I didn’t become vegetarian (at least not fully) until I was 24, so it’s not like I don’t know what I’m missing.

Not referring to you old chap.

OrsonScottCard Posted:

QFT. As a matter of fact, save a cow, eat a PETA member.

Agreed. So long as there is meat to eat, I’m happy.

Like most human beings with a conscience, I hate the fact that animals are being tortured in order to feed us. Even though killing animals is part of the food chain (and as many people know, a nasty side effect of harvesting crops), we can still be a lot more humane to our fellow sentients.

However, I would sooner advocate for stronger animal-cruelty laws and better farming standards than I would try to change the system by “voting with my wallet.” Not eating meat altogether won’t change the system.

I tend to buy my meat at a farmer’s market, and I bumume the local farmers adhere to ethical slaughtering practices. But I can’t always know for sure, like when I go to a restaurant. So I’m glad there are hardcore advocates out there helping to shape policy, it’s just not my number one priority.

Overall, I think vegetarians attach too much importance to the ethics of eating meat. If anything, you should feel a twinge of guilt during the act of buying meat, because that’s the point where you’re “supporting” factory farming. The actual consumption of meat — chewing, swallowing, digesting, excreting, smearing the resulting excretions over a loved one’s chest — is not really a moral issue.

Now, some people become veggies because they’re nauseated over the prospect of actually eating something that was once alive. But let’s face it, a lot of those people are 12-year-old girls who are well on the road to anorexia anyway. Avoiding meat is just another way to deny themselves the scourge of food.

What kind of human population controls are you in favor of?

Castration Lottery? Selective Disease Introduction? Limits on children allowed per household?

Because our consumption is the problem, animals are a resource, not partners. If iron was cute and cuddly, you would see teenage girls and metrosexual dudes boycotting engine blocks. Maximizing our resources to get them to the maximum number of people at the cheapest cost is important for both capitalist and socialist thinkers. Unless you reduce the number of people, you have to increase the number of resources. Animals, unlike Iron, are a replacable resource, and, better then Iron, we can improve them and make them more productive and delicious.

Yes, it is heart wrenching to see the way that animals are treated. The problem is that the benefits of all our modern ways of processing animals go to people who dont really NEED it. Africa needs them chickens a whole lot more then KFC. But hey, they have the same resources that we do, it isn’t our job to feed them ignorant bastards.

I’m all for meat-beating! Oh! No but seriously, I find it funny Fingerz is all like oh you should eat kosher this and that after she spent half an hour yesterday calling me a jew in chat for no reason whatsoever (I’m not a jew by the way).

I’ve seen the ‘exploitation’ videos Cloudie is talking about. (Sadly, I’ve not seen any video’s ‘exploiting’ Cloudie Log in to see images!

Sapper Posted:

It isn’t just the protien, there are other things that we get from meat. The fact that vegetarians either have to take supplements or eat manufactured, fortified and processed foods should key you in on the fact that the human is an omnivore, designed or evolved to eat pretty much anything. Except Fran. There are limits on fat intake.

I was taking a multivitamin long before becoming vegetarian because I’m naturally iron deficient. And not only vegetarians take supplements…there are plenty of reasons to take them, other than the fact that you’re not eating meat…and as for processed, I would rather eat molded grain protein than a cow that has been pumped full of hormones, left to wander around in feces and then inhumanely slaughtered on an unclean conveyer belt, the artificially dyed so that it still appears fresh. Like it or not, every time you consume meat, you’re eating rotting, decomposing flesh.

You need to eat meat because you need animal proteins? Don’t make me laugh. You can get these proteins as well if you eated cheese. In addition, you do not need very much of them. If you eat an egg a day, it will be more than enough.

Will it change something if many people stop eating meat? The answer is yes. The more meat is eaten the more animals have to suffer from this conditions. In addition, such “meat factories” are only economical if there is a “need” for great amounds of meat. They just don’t pay if the market is too small.

I’m just gonna leave this here..

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Inertia Posted:

I’m just gonna leave this here..

I wonder how many people besides me will even understand those pictures.

OrsonScottCard Posted:

I wonder how many people besides me will even understand those pictures.

You don’t think anyone but you and Inertia have heard of foie gras?