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SimplyTHEBEST Posted:
Does it give more cred? |
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 8:41PM | View Kilroy's Profile | # | ||||||
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Kilroy Posted:
PrayPal: 699,588 max cred Second Wife: 2,290,484 max cred
Going by these numbers, SW should be AT LEAST 3x more difficult than PrayPal just to match the cred difference. If you then factor in the limited supply of forum visits, the difference in cred-per-forum-visit justifies an even greater gap; if you get your cred from PrayPal it will be easier, but take many more forum visits.
Now, lets take a look at how hard it is to pwn PrayPal. IIRC, PrayPal threads have between 2k and 3k pwnage. 3x that would be 6-9k pwnage. It does about 20-30 damage to me, so it would instead do 60-90 damage at the 3x modifier. However, if we factor in the thread difference, the fact that SW gets half the threads means that it should be twice the battle in each thread. That would mean 12k-18k pwnage per thread, and 120-180 damage per hit. SW is only getting 5k-6k pwnage – a third of what would be expected. The trade-off for this is that the damage that SW does, when it hits, is a touch over twice as hard as the calculated value; 300-360 damage per hit.
It seems pretty reasonable to me, I think the problem is that that everybody’s been getting spoiled by caekwalk forums. SimplyTHEBEST edited this message on 11/29/2008 10:00PM |
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 9:59PM | View SimplyTHEBEST's Profile | # | ||||||
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SimplyTHEBEST Posted:
I don’t agree with this analysis. If you multiply the pwnage of the thread by three and also multiply the damage the thread does by three, you’re multiplying the damage that you take in pwning the thread by a factor of nine. Since by multiplying the pwnage of the thread by 3, you make it so that players take three times as long to pwn it, so they get hit (on average) three times as much. So if the damage you would take were unchanged, you would already be taking three times as much. But if you also triple the damage the thread deals, you are taking three times as many hits at three times the damage, and 3x3 is 9.
Increasing the pwnage or increasing the damage is both fine. But when you do both, you have to realize that the difficulty increases compound each other. So if you really want forum A to be three times as difficult as forum B, doubling the pwnage and doubling the damage dealt by forum B for forum A would be a much more reasonable way to do so, as it results in only four times as much damage taken as opposed to nine. |
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 10:22PM | View Possibly a Cabba...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Possibly a Cabbage Posted:
Perfectly reasonable, as I’m tired to the point of being about to pbum-out. I’ll re-read what I wrote and fix things in the morning.
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 10:24PM | View SimplyTHEBEST's Profile | # | ||||||
I could beat Zombie Armaggedon, a Lv32 Forum at Lv23, without items before the forum buffing. Now I can barely do it, but that seems about right. |
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 10:33PM | View Bonkenhi's Profile | # | ||||||
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I think they are still too weak I still don’t have to use any drugs. |
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Posted On: 11/29/2008 10:35PM | View quangntenemy's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:With all due respect, this all is a lot easier to say when you’re a troll. As an emo, I put a real bumload into ego. My defence isn’t bad either, so I could casually run Second Wife in about a minute with >90% of my ego intact. The changes, which happened as far as I can tell without any way for me to know unless I happened to check the forums (BAWBAWBAW) meant I went into a run (which would’ve given me a 12 streak for the first time Log in to see images!) without any drugs and got raped the **** out of on the fourth or fifth thread. Not having played a high level troll, I don’t know how it is for you guys, but I don’t think it hurts you guys as much as it did emos.
Sorry for the incoherent form and direction of this post, it’s early in the morning for me Log in to see images!
[Edit] Also I’m not sure if my character is even financially viable any more…I’m too tired to calculate how it’ll be after a few days of having to use a few drugs to run the hardest forums, as well as upkeeping all my .moars etc.. Seems sort of very special if I’m making less money than I was at level 28 before, by running the hardest forums, in the most economical way possible. Meth Use La edited this message on 11/30/2008 6:47AM |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 6:42AM | View Meth Use La's Profile | # | ||||||
Well, for one it makes “pwn the forum in less then 32seconds” kind of jobs difficult/impossible.
No items to equalize the increased difficulty where released. I went into a forum that I could do before and BAM, almost all my ego gone in one hit. I had to leave the forumn because i wasnt going to bother trying to heal, heal heal wait for a 0 attack on me just to attack back. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 10:37AM | View Syntome's Profile | # | ||||||
Well, the speed runs and jobs should give WAY more time. 90 seconds, at the absoulute minimum. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 2:31PM | View Bonkenhi's Profile | # | ||||||
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was Posted:
Easy for a Level 35 to say, especially one who was able to level up before all of the forums got buffed. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 3:05PM | View admiralcervixtor...'s Profile | # | ||||||
admiralcervixtor Posted:
I don’t understand what you mean with this statement? This character wasn’t always at the level cap and I still have alts below level 30. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 4:47PM | View twas's Profile | # | ||||||
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was Posted:
Yeah, but you hit the level cap/near it before the forums got buffed. It isn’t as easy to grind anymore, it’s so tedious and everything doesn’t just get wiped out in one hit anymore with no chance of hitting. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 5:11PM | View admiralcervixtor...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Ok, cabbage, you’re right. I screwed up on my math, but the end result works out to be basically the same – SW is within tolerances for being scaled to match PrayPal on Cred per Pwnage&Damage. |
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 6:27PM | View SimplyTHEBEST's Profile | # | ||||||
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Why is Dykea one of the hardest forums in the game? It’s a stupid ****ing joke to be so epic, and it wasn’t even the first dyke-jokes forum.
Anyway, the solution to high level players being bored wasn’t “**** up all our streaks” it was “Make a new ultimate forum.” Granted, not saying that one of the buildr suggestions deserves it (Though I am happy to see Historical Revisionism nerfed and Fakebook given decent standing) but CZ can’t come up with a new one for us?
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Posted On: 11/30/2008 10:27PM | View UnlimitedANC's Profile | # | ||||||
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UnlimitedANC Posted:ITT: Cheap jokes aren’t allowed on FW
Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 7:00AM | View Meth Use La's Profile | # | ||||||
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Bling Fling Posted:
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 10:50AM | View ezek's Profile | # | ||||||
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ezek Posted:
Not everyone is at the cap, though. Of course it’s easy for Level 35s who are specced. |
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 10:52AM | doctormale reproductive organtor | # | ||||||
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doctormale reproductive organtor Posted:
My fear is that the forums in the future turn to be what PrayPal/Faux News was in the past.
Maybe I didn’t specify well on the OP, but I think the forums are okay as they are now. I think they reached a good base to balance the rest.
I just don’t really want 5-minute long runs ever again, if you’re specced and lv35. >.> |
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 10:55AM | View Fran's Profile | # | ||||||
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why revert back to making things effortless though? Log in to see images! barely clinching a win makes it a little more fun imo ezek edited this message on 12/02/2008 10:57AM |
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 10:56AM | View ezek's Profile | # | ||||||
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ezek Posted:
I don’t think you played FW before Episode 2.
Running PrayPal (or Faux News as a DML Troll) wasn’t a challenge by any means; they were easy. But, they were LONG. Running them for different purposes (either Flezz or Cred) made it feel like a grind. Felt like a job.
For now, even with the buffed forums and the nerfed attacks, I’m still having fun going through the hardest forums. I just don’t want them to be further buffed to the point they are still easy, but they’re essentially a grind because they take too much to die. |
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Posted On: 12/02/2008 11:03AM | View Fran's Profile | # | ||||||
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