no ascension/reincarnation mechanics

that **** killed KoL

Except that KoL gave insanely high stat boosts for each ascension. To put FW on par with that, the reincarnation bonus would need to be about +20 offense, +15 defense, and +17 Charisma.

Although a bunch of +1 bonuses would add up over time, it would take many, many months before it would start to actually give them any sort of tangible advantage.

Besides, what better flezz sink than something that gets rid of it all?

Veer Posted:

no ascension/reincarnation mechanics

that **** killed KoL

No, NS13 killed KOL.

FAIL Posted:

A problem with this would be when they finally implement the .moar files trading system (which they would have to include flezz trading) someone could just have someone else hold their flezz until they prestige, then get it back…

So restrict .moar file trades to other .moar files. However, that doesn’t really solve the problem anyway, does it? I mean, if I wanted to give a friend a leg up I would just tell them to put any old .moar file up for 2,000,000 and I’d buy it off of them. Heck, since we don’t really have anything worthwhile to do with flezz once we max out our equipment, what’s there to keep us from just giving cash out to raw newbs just so that SOMEBODY can get some use out of it?

Personally, I think that the 100,000 enhancement should just be removed once some kind of trade system comes out, and those people who used it (And only it) should have the cheater flag removed. It’s pretty obvious that the flezz economy will be utter chaos, and people will start back-alley trades of flezz and/or rare .moars for BP.

CZ should do the smart thing and let that happen; people who trade flezz for BP aren’t the type to buy BP in the first place, and it doesn’t really matter who gets the BP as long as it’s been paid for.

TL;DR: Problems that come with a trade system and problems that come with a reincarnation system are different sets of problems.

... Actually, I should probably start a thread about “Lottery Winner”...

SimplyTHEBEST Posted:

To encourage players to do this, they reincarnation stat bonus pool. Every time you hit the cap and reset you get +1 stat point added to the pool, and these stat points can be distributed however you like prior to hitting level 2.

So is this +1 per level up or +1 per reincarnation?

I’d guess it’d be nice for the people with EP 2, so they can go through every possible choice storyline ever.

Yea. 5 clbumes means 4 alts at 3bp each. That’s 12bp. If you want to keep a re-re around that makes it 15bp, which costs a minimum of $20.

Paying 3 or 4bp to get all the clbumes would seem reasonable with the restrictions put on this idea – you can only play one at a time, you need to hit level 35 before you can switch, and you can’t carry any items or flezz over from one cycle to the next. Compare that to alts, where you get 4 visits for each alt, they each have separate flezz and inventory spaces, they keep everything they buy, you can switch between them freely, etc…

Edit: It’s +1 every time you reincarnate. Keeping it small keeps it from unbalancing the game; one stat point helps out a LOT in early levels, but once you hit the endgame it’s not really worth anything. That makes it fairly useless for getting an advantage in Domination unless you do a LOT of playing over a LONG time, and in that case it’s just rewarding players for sticking with the game.

no

it is bad game design to have replay-value be “replaying the game with stat boosts”

Veer Posted:

no ascension/reincarnation mechanics

that **** killed KoL

SuperHappyFunKitty Posted:

No, NS13 killed KOL.

Yet the # of players grows ever larger… and the devs no longer need day jobs.

Not saying reincarnation suits FW, but Replay value=win. KoL=successful indie game business model. No homeaux.

I think how much of a good idea this is depends on what CZ’s plans with episode 3 (and 4 and 5, and so on) are. If episode 3 is written for level 35ish characters, introducing a means by which people are constantly reincarnating between then and now is kind of silly, since inevitably people are going to be caught at a low level when episode 3 rolls around.

On the other hand, just having a game where every new content dump involves higher and higher level players sort of invites power creep and tends to make the earlier content obsolete. Eventually padding your game with bigger and bigger numbers for things runs out of steam, when players realize that what they’re doing now is just like what they used to be doing except with a couple more zeroes.

The first approach works well for KoL, even when they dump high level content, since it only takes about a week to get from level 1 to the point at which you could reincarnate again. The second approach works for WoW, since they don’t care if it expansions obsolete old combat provided they attract lapsed players to come back, as “playing the game” makes money for Blizzard. I don’t think that FW is set up to really get people from level 1 back up to level 30 in a matter of a week or two, and I don’t know if FW will ever have the momentum of WoW where it can afford to have everything that newbies see for the first three weeks of play be greatly dwarfed by what they’ll eventually get hands on and still have it be a fully satisfying experience for them. So in terms of artificially extending playability, I think we might have to come up with something else to do. FW is its own game, and while it never hurts to steal good ideas from your peers in this business (FW would be a better game if it had a functioning player economy like KoL, for example), games should generally be left to do their own thing provided they’re fun and successful.

I really think Evil Trout would prefer that if you wanted to play the game as another clbum, you throw some money his way, and probably doesn’t want to have to balance the episode 3 content to be interesting both to people who work their way up there on their first playthrough and to people who have spent months grinding and reincarnating to become incomparable badbumes.

SG94 Posted:

this. ForumWarz has (or is at least intended to have) tons of endgame activities (like domination): that’s how play time is extended. Semi-regularly, new content is added as well. There’s a whole lot to do now and copying **** from KoL is the last thing we need. If you want to play through the game from scratch buy an alt.

It’s not like resetting your character would be mandatory. For those of us that aren’t interested in domination, there’s basically not much to do but grind .moar files. If you’d rather play domination, play domination. If you want to play through the storyline again this would be a welcome new feature.