The voting system sucks and will continue to suck more and more, in a downward spiral of suck, because there is no reason or incentive to use your votes well.

It might be better to ditch it as a failed experiment, and move over to an entirely different approach. How about instead something team based? A team of players design a forum and all its elements, the forum can be tested ‘live’ and then everyone votes on completed results to see which one gets our blessing that week. If you have stuff you want to contribute to someone elses forum idea, ask to join their team.

Also it might give klans another focus than talking **** in the forums and domination.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

The voting system sucks and will continue to suck more and more, in a downward spiral of suck, because there is no reason or incentive to use your votes well.

It might be better to ditch it as a failed experiment, and move over to an entirely different approach. How about instead something team based? A team of players design a forum and all its elements, the forum can be tested ‘live’ and then everyone votes on completed results to see which one gets our blessing that week. If you have stuff you want to contribute to someone elses forum idea, ask to join their team.

Also it might give klans another focus than talking **** in the forums and domination.

I’d love to try that out. It sounds like it would be a lot of fun working as a team.

Hi guys,

I understand your frustration. With the recent influx of buildr noobs, there have been a lot of serial downvoters. I often look at the ratios and warn users, although it’s not an efficient way to deal with the problem. But while I don’t want to remove downvoting altogether, I think there should be some restrictions.

My thinking is, if your ratio is very low (and you’ve reached a minimum number of votes), you get a warning. Then, if you ignore the warning, at some point your downvotes get cut off unless you either vote some stuff up, or maybe we put in a time constraint.

Over a period of months, if you’re consistently meeting the lowest standards (i.e., only upvoting because you were warned each week) you will be ripe for bannination. I’m also thinking individuals who were banned for forumbuildr misconduct could have their votes retroactively reversed, although that’d be much harder to implement in mid-build.

I’ll discuss with the team further, but please continue to give us your input.

Jalapeno Bootyhole Posted:

My thinking is, if your ratio is very low (and you’ve reached a minimum number of votes), you get a warning. Then, if you ignore the warning, at some point your downvotes get cut off unless you either vote some stuff up, or maybe we put in a time constraint.

Over a period of months, if you’re consistently meeting the lowest standards (i.e., only upvoting because you were warned each week) you will be ripe for bannination. I’m also thinking individuals who were banned for forumbuildr misconduct could have their votes retroactively reversed, although that’d be much harder to implement in mid-build.

I’ll discuss with the team further, but please continue to give us your input.

I fear that this would only complicate matters. I am actually for the elimination of downvoting because it can (and actually seems to be doing that, I am sort of a new member so I don’t have place for comparison) to be used not only for bad submissions, but for upvoting your own.

Well, nothing actually, and that could become quite the problem. On the other hand, you may preserve the “pruning out of bad submissions” by making some sort of an algorithm based on statistical data. Like taking the average and dividing it by some number (10?) and applying that to a submission that has been around for let’s say 2 days.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

Some kind of speed limit on voting might help. If you’re reading the submissions you’re voting on, it’s probably the case you’re going to vote according to your opinion of their quality. If you’re mbum downvoting, you’re not interested in evaluating the quality of the submissions, and will therefore be voting alot faster. It might not stop mbum downvoting, but it’ll make it more annoying to do so.

Supporting this, but timed voting constraints can quickly become a nuisance for legitimate voters as well. Especially enemies can be fairly judged in a matter of seconds imo.

Removing downvoting seems a solid plan. When I put actual thought into my ideas, then see them get dropped in favor of people upvoting idiocy like “OH EM GEE necrophilisa joke guiz!” it’s pretty discouraging.

All the same, how about a minimum number of daily upvotes needed to survive the day? That’d prevent the flooding. If that’s not harsh enough, cap the number of times a user can +1vote each day. Say you have 5 upvotes to use each day. Pbum until you find your 5, then you’re done. Meanwhile, your forum needs at least say, 10 upvotes to be around tomorrow and stay in the running. If people can’t just upvote **** like there’s no tomorrow, 5 votes will be a little harder to get.

Makes sense, no?

Jalapeno Bootyhole Posted:

Hi guys,

I understand your frustration. With the recent influx of buildr noobs, there have been a lot of serial downvoters. I often look at the ratios and warn users, although it’s not an efficient way to deal with the problem. But while I don’t want to remove downvoting altogether, I think there should be some restrictions.

My thinking is, if your ratio is very low (and you’ve reached a minimum number of votes), you get a warning. Then, if you ignore the warning, at some point your downvotes get cut off unless you either vote some stuff up, or maybe we put in a time constraint.

Over a period of months, if you’re consistently meeting the lowest standards (i.e., only upvoting because you were warned each week) you will be ripe for bannination. I’m also thinking individuals who were banned for forumbuildr misconduct could have their votes retroactively reversed, although that’d be much harder to implement in mid-build.

I’ll discuss with the team further, but please continue to give us your input.

so you are planning on banning users for using a feature the way that you intended them to use it

haha wooah

You know… At the moment, there’s no real reason to vote, unless you’re downvoting the competition. Maybe some kind of reward for a certain amount of votes would be a good idea?

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

The voting system sucks and will continue to suck more and more, in a downward spiral of suck, because there is no reason or incentive to use your votes well.

It might be better to ditch it as a failed experiment, and move over to an entirely different approach. How about instead something team based? A team of players design a forum and all its elements, the forum can be tested ‘live’ and then everyone votes on completed results to see which one gets our blessing that week. If you have stuff you want to contribute to someone elses forum idea, ask to join their team.

Also it might give klans another focus than talking **** in the forums and domination.

I think this type of approach is definitely worth trying out – the point is to make the best forums right? How about a subforum for putting forward ideas, and letting people improve on them?