While it may not be as big as in the heyday of the Sisterhood and the Flamers, it’s still pretty tremendous to such an extent that the latter two clbumes of users are almost powerless to compete against the raiders. In the short run when they’re mixed in the lower brackets, and in the long run when they get seperated by medals, they’ll always have the advantage in Domination. Inherently, we shouldn’t divide groups by medals, but cut to the source of the problem and divide the groups based on medals AND klan raiding. If your klan went on 3 raids last week, you will naturally be placed higher, and THEN you are further divided by medal count.

This can be exploited by constant klan deletion and reformation, but to prevent that, a raid counter should stick to the player itself, even though it is activated by klan as a whole.

Questions? Concerns? Comments?

I sincerely doubt it will be fixed soon. How much weaker could it get without eliminating it completely?

TeeKayEff Posted:

While it may not be as big as in the heyday of the Sisterhood and the Flamers, it’s still pretty tremendous to such an extent that the latter two clbumes of users are almost powerless to compete against the raiders. In the short run when they’re mixed in the lower brackets, and in the long run when they get seperated by medals, they’ll always have the advantage in Domination. Inherently, we shouldn’t divide groups by medals, but cut to the source of the problem and divide the groups based on medals AND klan raiding. If your klan went on 3 raids last week, you will naturally be placed higher, and THEN you are further divided by medal count.

This can be exploited by constant klan deletion and reformation, but to prevent that, a raid counter should stick to the player itself, even though it is activated by klan as a whole.

Questions? Concerns? Comments?

So… when I miss my klan’s raid(s) for the week do I go back to being seeded with non-raiding players? That’s hardly fair to them to have to compete with klan vanillas just because some klanned player wasn’t able to make any raids the previous week.

Beyond that, it’s going to mean that brainfreeze competes with brainfreeze and ep2beta competes with ep2beta for the most part. All that’s gonna do is make it so we switch off who participates in which ties so we can all continue to climb the leaderboard. At least the way it is now, we have two klans having some awesome card wars with each other. (hopefully more as more people come into raiding)

Amasius Posted:

– Fortunately antifreeze is kinda fixed now but I still don’t get it why it is possible to get scoops for gambling. Gambling isn’t fun (some addicts may disagree), you don’t need skills to do it and you don’t even do it with others. There should be a better way to get antifreeze.

This is something I agree with completely.

Gambling for me, isn’t fun at all. It’s just another boring grind. And if I really wanted to play blackjack, there are much better blackjack sites all over the internet for it.

Heck I LOVE to play poker, but even if there was a poker option for gamblebot, I would still rather find a good poker site on the internet then play it here.

Amasius Posted:

- Fortunately antifreeze is kinda fixed now but I still don’t get it why it is possible to get scoops for gambling. Gambling isn’t fun (some addicts may disagree), you don’t need skills to do it and you don’t even do it with others. There should be a better way to get antifreeze.

You guys all get that antifreeze is the “self harm” scoop, right? There is another way to get antifreeze – kill yourself in battle twice for one scoop. It’s a waste of visits that could be used to get lemon, pistachio or vanilla, but you can do it.

Anyway, the whole point of using gambling for those scoops (the way I see it) is that it’s not *supposed* to be fun. But it really doesn’t take much to get those scoops (unless you hit a MEAN losing streak – which does happen, just thankfully not super often). It takes less than 5 minutes to get those scoops then you don’t have to touch the stinking cheater bot for another day. If you don’t want to put the 5 minutes in, don’t… but it’s a logical way (given the point of the scoop) to get those extra few scoops per day.

Just add in bumhole-type card destruction so casuals can at least strike back at Raiders. Really.

spacekadt Posted:

So… when I miss my klan’s raid(s) for the week do I go back to being seeded with non-raiding players? That’s hardly fair to them to have to compete with klan vanillas just because some klanned player wasn’t able to make any raids the previous week.

The number of raids don’t reset every week, they stack.

TeeKayEff Posted:

I sincerely doubt it will be fixed soon. How much weaker could it get without eliminating it completely?

Well, let’s consider just a few of the options that have been suggested….

1) Increase # of forums that need to be controlled, greatly increasing the coordination required due to faster turnover.
2) Make it so only a person who is currently dominating a forum can receive the klan vanilla. (Scullyangel's suggestion)
2b) Make it so only the people who captured a forum within 5 minutes of the 12th forum being captured earn a scoop.
3) Limit the number of people in a raid / number of raids per week. (I forget whose suggestion.)

I strongly agree with option 2. Options 1 and 3 could be implemented as well. At any rate, there are certainly plenty of ways it could be made weaker without being eliminated. The problem we’re seeing is, either CZ doesn’t give a ****, or CZ is diligently working on a solution that will fix it once and for all, leaving these next few weeks to be utter hell.

Honestly, if it’s the latter, then they ought to just remove klan vanilla temporarily or disable domination completely. There can be no question that domination is imbalanced right now. It’s actually gotten to be just as bad as it was in the days of the Sisterhood, despite raiders earning one third as many scoops per capture.

Edit: But just in case there is a question, http://www.forumwarz.com/domination/show_team/2

Or maybe the problem is just that CZ isn’t experienced enough with domination. I’m not sure they have any members who really play it that much.

Amasius Posted:

- I still don’t get it why it is possible to get scoops for gambling. Gambling isn’t fun (some addicts may disagree), you don’t need skills to do it and you don’t even do it with others.

And how does speedrunning denture chat (press 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1) embody skill, or fun, or being done with others? Well, fun is subjective. I believe that nothing in games really requires skill, at least for a long period of time. And I don’t mean just Forumwarz – think about World of Warcraft (PvE, possibly PvP), or Monopoly, or Chutes and Ladders. There’s a point where everything at its creation requires skill, but once people work out the ideal way to do things it’s just repetition, and there is no skill aspect to it. (Although there is an aspect of skill in Forumwarz to the extent that people haven’t worked out the ideal strategy, but it’s constantly decreasing.)

Now, being done with others, there’s some merit to that. But let me be just say this bluntly: I don’t spend 15 hours a day on the computer (that’s an exaggeration, just fyi) because I enjoy socializing for 10 hours a day. In sharp contrast, however, I do very much enjoy competing with other people. Now that’s just me, of course, but I find myself inclined to believe that most people of the people who are playing domination competitively feel, if not the same way, then similarly.

windandwater Posted:

As someone who isn’t in a Klan but still tries to play Domination, I agree that things are wildly imbalanced toward the raiders. I somehow managed to pick up all 4 of the medals last week (I think everyone else in my group died or something), but now I’ve been tossed into the brackets with the hardcore raiders. I, personally, don’t mind Klans raiding, since they deserve rewards for pulling off successful raids, but whenever I”m put into a bracket where I see that I’m surrounded by Klans, I pretty much just give up playing Domination for the week.

I’d still rather see some sort of division where it’s Klan vs. Klan, with a different division for people who aren’t in Klans so they can enjoy Domination, too.

And don’t tell me to join a Klan. I don’t want to, and I don’t spend enough time on this site to justify it.

You shouldn’t give up so easy. Don’t be afraid of players with lots of cards, most of them are never played. It isn’t too hard to get Fave Flava with a last-minute speedrun even in the top brackets (the weak spot of those greedy raiders) and if you don’t compete you should still buy cards to attack the players in raiding klans. We have to stick together against those damn raiders. Log in to see images!

Veer Posted:

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