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Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

Drop stats database

Color coding thanks to TracerX

Will keep updating like a nerd with OCD.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

It’s so pretty Log in to see images!

Where’d the data come from? Straight from the wiki or your own?

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

It’s almost all my own (except about 150 or so drops from TracerX), the wiki is too sparse and messed up to be worth the effort to convert one drop at a time. Plus this way I can maintain constant Luck scores for the drops instead of having to use ranges. Although I do have columns for that which were intended for other people to use…

If there are any forums people want more accurate info on let me know and I’ll set my cheated characters to grinding as soon as I get reasonable confirmation of all the different files of the last few forums (Obscure Phobia, clbum warfare and 1 or 2 other Episode 2 Forums) or if you REALLY care, you can send me 2BP and I will run 69 visits on that forum with that cheated character.

Dunatis edited this message on 08/06/2009 5:03PM

mterek

Avatar: 192622 2009-09-24 16:39:01 -0400
18

[mahjong]

Level 69 Re-Re

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

I have about 40 drops at 31 luck (lucky!) for World of Whorecraft that I could give you, should you accept it. I don’t have results for maybe 2-3 threads for various reasons, but 99% of the data is solid.

mterek edited this message on 08/06/2009 6:03PM

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

mterek Posted:

I have about 40 drops at 31 luck (lucky!) for World of Whorecraft that I could give you, should you accept it. I don’t have results for maybe 2-3 threads for various reasons, but 99% of the data is solid.

Missing a thread here and there happens every now and then, but I’ll accept any data you want to give. Just TM me and I’ll toss it into the appropriate column for you. Same goes for anyone with a reasonable amount of drops. (less than a whole Forums worth AT LEAST is pretty much statistically invalid, may as well pick and choose which drops you include at that point which from my point of view may have happened, otherwise why have only part of the forum?)

ghax

Avatar: 80241 Thu Jul 02 20:10:59 -0400 2009
17

Level 35 Camwhore

I love 12 inch fine upstanding member of society male reproductive organs in my arse

I sent you drop data from 1200 drops on Denture Chat (200 visits) Log in to see images!

EDIT: Delete this post. My data is useless.

ghax edited this message on 08/06/2009 9:11PM

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

By the way, I need all the files that drop, not individual files otherwise I can’t get proper drop stats on everything and the pieces that are dropped are at random, Luck doesn’t affect it and neither does Forum. At least not from what I’ve seen so far or from what Banhammer has said.

Dirt_E_ATM

Avatar: Boobs
15

Level 35 Camwhore

“Legs Wide Open”

This could be quite useful.

I will try and start tracking my drops better. Do you have a preferred format for us to provide stats?

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

Dirt_E_ATM Posted:

This could be quite useful.

I will try and start tracking my drops better. Do you have a preferred format for us to provide stats?

Not really, just send me your Luck at the time, and the file names followed by how many pieces of that file. Then send it when you feel like it. I only intend on updating all the numbers once a month anyways so it’s not as though I need it all ASAP.

Something like

Homicide Girls – 53 Luck

Buyer’s Guide to Expired Ground Pork.dtbs – 2

hollywood starlet fine upstanding member of society slip collage.xpeg – 4

Journal – what I plan to do differently the second time I have sex.sdoc – 1

would be perfect.

mterek

Avatar: 192622 2009-09-24 16:39:01 -0400
18

[mahjong]

Level 69 Re-Re

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Data sent. Coincidentally I’m at 40 Luck right now, so I’ll record all of my data until I can obtain some better items.

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

Knowing there’s someone doing something organised like this is making me want to start actually tracking my drops better; might have some extra data for low-luck runs of HoFF just as soon as I figure out an easy way to keep count of what pieces I get.

Interesting… going on current data, 10 luck gets a higher rate of Floyds than 1 luck. When I did a quick and dirty test of the same comparison (a handful of visits at each) I did better with 1 luck. There’s something to test.

man-man edited this message on 08/07/2009 1:49PM

ChilePepino

Avatar: 101005 2010-01-24 16:17:40 -0500
5

[Full of SbumSS]

Level 35 Permanoob

Well, spf357 really rocks.

cool work Dunatis, thanks for sharing.

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

man-man Posted:

Interesting… going on current data, 10 luck gets a higher rate of Floyds than 1 luck. When I did a quick and dirty test of the same comparison (a handful of visits at each) I did better with 1 luck. There’s something to test.

I’ve seen a lot of disconnect between 1 and 13 Luck which leads me to believe that whatever equation is used probably causes a curve in the drops so that 1 Luck is equivalent to something like 20 Luck. Either that or Luck has 0 effect until you hit a certain amount and what I’m seeing are just random fluctuations between equivalent amounts. Personally I think it’s the former but only ET knows the truth Log in to see images!

mterek

Avatar: 192622 2009-09-24 16:39:01 -0400
18

[mahjong]

Level 69 Re-Re

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

We could run controlled experiments using those values. I know I was planning on working out Defense and Upkeep’s critical values so I could calculate the optimal Re-Re point allocation, but with multiple people sharing data it becomes an immensely easy task.

Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll work with anyone who gets starter packs…so it would have to be a high level Re-Re or Permanoob to get the most significant data.

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
100

[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

mterek Posted:

We could run controlled experiments using those values. I know I was planning on working out Defense and Upkeep’s critical values so I could calculate the optimal Re-Re point allocation, but with multiple people sharing data it becomes an immensely easy task.

Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll work with anyone who gets starter packs…so it would have to be a high level Re-Re or Permanoob to get the most significant data.

The fastest and probably most accurate way of doing that would be many runs on How Stuff Breaks and just keep track of the Andy files. Since they have such a high percentage, differences would be most noticeable and you could easily get statistically valid numbers with 12 runs since there are so many, not to mention it’s a lower difficulty and can be pwnd faster.

Do this for Luck from 1-20 and see if there is a curve if possible see the entire curve, but I’m going to focus on drop stats for everything else before I work something like this. At least until my low level placeholders get to a high enough level to use their visits for this.

The only thing this will NOT determine is if different clbumes get different drops or if any outliers where specific clbumes have gotten 2-3x the amount of a single file are just that, random outliers.

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

I don’t have a raft of alts to throw at this, so I’ll just be grinding HoFF (for fun and profit) but I can try tweaking my luck around to see what happens

1 or 11 are the easiest values to hit, just have to swap a 50TB Haxtor for a Beastor Cable, but I can put it to anything from 7 to 11 without too much trouble… could snag a couple of low level files for more flexibility in the lower ranges.

How many runs would you recommend for gathering reasonably reliable stats?

mterek

Avatar: 192622 2009-09-24 16:39:01 -0400
18

[mahjong]

Level 69 Re-Re

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Dunatis Posted:

The fastest and probably most accurate way of doing that would be many runs on How Stuff Breaks and just keep track of the Andy files. Since they have such a high percentage, differences would be most noticeable and you could easily get statistically valid numbers with 12 runs since there are so many, not to mention it’s a lower difficulty and can be pwnd faster.

Do this for Luck from 1-20 and see if there is a curve if possible see the entire curve, but I’m going to focus on drop stats for everything else before I work something like this. At least until my low level placeholders get to a high enough level to use their visits for this.

Good suggestion.

man-man Posted:

How many runs would you recommend for gathering reasonably reliable stats?

Something in the ~1,000 range would be a high enough to be statistically significant, and 5,000 would be ideal. For those numbers, we’d need a fleet of Hackers with identical Luck pwning the same forum over and over.

mterek edited this message on 08/07/2009 9:37PM

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

Well… I can do 4 per day. Seeya in a year.

mterek

Avatar: 192622 2009-09-24 16:39:01 -0400
18

[mahjong]

Level 69 Re-Re

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

How many Spiders can you equip? Even with two Spiders, with 10 Hackers on a single run in a 13 thread forum, that’s 260 drops right there. Repeat 4 times and we’re significant at 1040.

mterek edited this message on 08/07/2009 10:06PM

ghax

Avatar: 80241 Thu Jul 02 20:10:59 -0400 2009
17

Level 35 Camwhore

I love 12 inch fine upstanding member of society male reproductive organs in my arse

mterek Posted:

How many Spiders can you equip? Even with two Spiders, with 10 Hackers on a single run in a 13 thread forum, that’s 260 drops right there. Repeat 4 times and we’re significant at 1040.

if only it worked that way…

you can only have 1 spider at a time.

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