EVECHARM Posted:

You’ll probably see more items like the Fix Itembuildr tattoo >.> and enough of the community acting like the community normally acts and it’ll win till you do what the screaming 5 year olds demand.

Or, you know… the screaming 5 year old will eventually get tired. I *hate* watching parents give in to screaming children. My sister I learned really ****ing fast when we were kids that screaming meant less of what we wanted, not more. I see other people my age with entitlement issues and thank all that I hold dear that we were raised the way we were.

If the screaming 5 year olds never shut up, it wasn’t really due to their screaming so much as it finally came up on the agenda. Unless, of course, ET says “**** it” and pulls the plug entirely. Then I guess they’ll ave to find something new to **** about. (Note: I don’t know of any plans to do that… I just think it would be really damn funny to watch the people that are screaming about it now suddenly scream about not having it at all.)

Samildanach Posted:

Right. So, in other words, people will pull this kind of bull**** regardless of what ET does. How does “doing things like this seem to be the only way to get enough attention to “fix” something” under that paradigm, again?

Alright fine let me rephrase my statement. It’s cool that the community is able to band together enough that they could basically do whatever the heck they want in buildrs, even ruin it if they want to, while in other games the best thing they could do is whine together and can’t actually effect the game. Happy?

I appreciate how this discussion has progressed, especially those coming to CZ’s defense. I don’t want to sound all bumhurt about this kind of thing, because on some level it is funny and even a little heartwarming to see impromptu “revolts” by the community.

On the other hand, it puts us in the awkward position of having to come down hard whenever it happens, making it appear like we’re in opposition to our users.

First and foremost, we want you to acknowledge the amount of work that goes into these projects, and the fact that, perversely enough, we’re all in it together.

I don’t care which, if either, Bashy bashing entry people vote for, but what exactly is the point of downvoting everybody else’s submissions? All of these threads pointing out which Bashy forum is “real” and which one is “fake” simply seem like public vote collusion and have only functioned to insure that if Bashy is not the author of the next week’s forum, Bashy will surely be the subject of next week’s forum. Oh, and in the meantime, everybody else’s forum ideas have been wiped out, which will reflect negatively in their buildr scores next week, giving them fewer submissions with which to compete. So, good job achieving exactly the opposite of what you wanted.

And now, because there is no list that I’d check, I’m going to list some things I find wrong with buildr, despite you guys already knowing, this serves as a just-in-case.

1) Eliminate Downvoting in itembuildr/Make like -20 the cutoff.

2) Give the code another look, try making the items that are spawned be random between Tears, Sexiness, Douchebaggery, and Processing Power; instead of based on previously existing items (where Camwhores and Emo Kids have a majority.

3) Make -10 the cutoff in forumbuildr.

By implementing the above changes, voting will be determined by how much someone likes something, not be the first 5 people who get to a forum quickly hitting “downvote”.

Well the Bashy forums aren’t disqualified yet but probably one or two will probably be for copying. They all shouldn’t be tho cause it would be like saying ” well it was real funny all the times submitting fran is fat, but we can’t actually let it win”

and a list on what CZ is working on or planing to fix would probably stop a good part of the whining to fix something or the general whining that happens when something gets fixed and changed on a whim (see masterball gate thread)

I don’t know the ins and outs of forumwarz like most of you do. But i wanted to make a point. I’ve won 3 itembuildr image submissions in the last week. I know for a fact that i dont get in there and down vote in the first few minutes like apparently some do. I dont have a little army of supporters to offset my downvotes. I just try to submit something that would be funny and accurate to the description. On the other hand. I never even come close to to winning an idea. And this last tatto one my image was gone in the first hour apparently and it was much better than the winning submission. All im really saying is that there may be some flaws in the way it works so making changes may not makes things better because a locked door only keeps out the honest person.

Catt although Posted:

Quite right – if people wanted to make a point, it’s now been made, so lets move on from this kind of thing.

I’d say that you need to keep making the point until change happens. When’s the last time that change happened after the activists shut up?

Have you noticed that downvotes have even been worse since people seem to be upset. So everyones hard work is wasted with it all.

zagerblag Posted:

I’d say that you need to keep making the point until change happens. When’s the last time that change happened after the activists shut up?

When its turn on the list came up. Just like it will with this.

You can keep whining and waste your energy until it happens in due course or you can try to make something good with what it serves up in the meantime. It’s your choice, but it’s not going to make things happen any faster.