Yes, I do agree with most of what was discussed here already. And I plan to add some more thoughts from a relatively new player.

The reason I was not going for the leaderboards is that it gave me an impression that most stats would be unachievable. So, I had the surprise of my life when I found out that Permanoobs get their separate leaderboard and I see myself somewhere in the middle of the pack of most boards.

This actually encourages me to grind out some more since some goals are already attainable when a week ago I already resigned to boredom and decided to bombard Flamebate instead.

If this sounds self-serving, maybe it is. But the reason why I am still at it in the game is that I have not achieved some personal goals I set to myself, to name a few, the job boards and consecutive pwnd forums streak peens.

Regardless whether the leaderboards were changed or not, I would still be grinding til kingdom come until I reach Boiling Point and Chai as a Kite. It just gives me fodder that I also get a crack at the leaderboards as well (at least among Permanoobs). Take note, I don’t have EP2 yet so I am at a disadvantage since I have less number of forums to work with.

And getting cheap itembuildr stuff also helps. As for game balance, that is for CZ to deliberate since I also don’t have alts and I’m giving my full attention to this Permanoob.

So, what will happen with the peens people got while their leaderoards were temporarily split by clbum?

Jalapeno Bootyhole Posted:

Those, unfortunately, are going to have to be castrated.

Then it’ll be unfair if those people were very close to the peens but they stopped going for them and there’s no chance to win now.

While I agree that the initial split along clbum lines didn’t made sense in some areas, I’m boggled why a “fix” was not implemented immediately if it was going to be made.

Personally I was sitting in 2nd place on the most forums pwned board when they split. The split gave me the peen. Since then I’ve purposely skipped using almost 30 visits to allow other players a chance to pbum me and get the peen.

Perhaps, along with formal rule changes, it would be a good idea to announce game impacting changes somewhere besides a player made thread. Just a thought.

Shii Posted:

I completely agree with Lester. Removing the peens from people really screws over the ones who stopped going for it for a while as a result of achieving the peen.

This.

You really should have done it much earlier. Now it creates this problem..

But on the other hand if you don’t remove it there will be undeserving people with the peen and that just makes the whole thing look like a joke (in a bad way) and a failure imo. Seriously why did you even do it in the first place…made no sense.

I don’t know how you can get out of this mess.

Also why still no leaderboard for re-res?

plk Posted:

I don’t see why a few people should get to keep “unearned” peens while the rest of us have to work for them.

Inertia Posted:

You really should have done it much earlier. Now it creates this problem.

Samildanach Posted:

The point is that they gave up the opportunity to continue competing on achieving the peen, to be fair to those who “achieved those numbers right after [they] did.” If they’d known they wouldn’t get to keep the peen, they would have kept trying, and would still be ahead of “the people who achieved those numbers right after”.

In other words, people who were trying not to be selfish are being punished for it needlessly.

I don’t believe that altruism had anything to do with it.

Also, I believe this post http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view_post/524774 indicated that it was going to happen.

Samildanach Posted:

Alright. Forget altruism. If they were aiming for the peen, and hadn’t gotten it, for reasons of pure self-interest, they would still be ahead of those who “hit those numbers later.” Having achieved their goal, they stopped, while those who didn’t get the peen continued because they had to. Either way, those who achieved the peen and didn’t keep mindlessly grinding are being penalized for someone else’s poor decision.

As such things go, I’d say losing your peen is a bigger affront to a given player than someone else getting to keep their peen, so I would err on the side of letting people keep the peen they thought they’d already won.

I don’t really agree with that. We can’t know that people who achieved those peens would have kept going for the overall leaderboard. They were specifically shooting for clbum leaderboard spots because they were much more easily attainable. So now they have peens, which they might have never gotten anyway, while the rest of us have to keep grinding and surpbum them by far in order to get the same reward.