MC Banhammer Posted:

Solo dom’s built at 8. Why not leave it there and balance after you see how the raid changes go? Is anyone really complaining about solo dom?

Fine, so what’s the problem with allowing 13? 13 characters * 12 visits = 156 – 11 visits to pwn the first 11 = 145 scoops. This is basically double the 72 scoops a solo can earn. Looks perfect to me. With 10 you can only earn 109 scoops. Doesn’t seem like a big enough draw. How about we leave as is (8 solo vanilla, 13 raiders) and re-evaluate as needed Log in to see images!

No matter how many changes we make, it’s obvious that klan raiding is the only way you’re going to truly be competitive in Dom. We’re trying to rebalance Dom, when the rebalancing of the main game is still screwy. I understand you’re really wanting to have this raid limit, but I would have loved to see what the alt limit would have done if the changes were properly implemented in the first place. Limit of 5 alts, only those alts could affect the forums pwned.

Instead of rolling all of these changes out at once, couldn’t we do it gradually, so we can more fully see how the changes affect Dom? Here we are, hours before the change, and we still don’t have a raid limit set in stone. It seems logical, in my opinion, that we should hold off on implementing it at this time. Maybe implement it at the same time we get the multiple raids?

BritishSevenfold Posted:

Raid size will be limited to 13

So how will that be enforced?

A hard-coded limit? If there are 13 members in a raid, no other members will be able to join.

CaptainDDL Posted:

No matter how many changes we make, it’s obvious that klan raiding is the only way you’re going to truly be competitive in Dom. We’re trying to rebalance Dom, when the rebalancing of the main game is still screwy. I understand you’re really wanting to have this raid limit, but I would have loved to see what the alt limit would have done if the changes were properly implemented in the first place. Limit of 5 alts, only those alts could affect the forums pwned.

Instead of rolling all of these changes out at once, couldn’t we do it gradually, so we can more fully see how the changes affect Dom? Here we are, hours before the change, and we still don’t have a raid limit set in stone. It seems logical, in my opinion, that we should hold off on implementing it at this time. Maybe implement it at the same time we get the multiple raids?

As much as I agree with you I have two points as to why we will push all these changes today.

1) They are needed, evidence has shown that Alt abuse and Raid abuse both drastically affect the balance of Domination.

2) Programming time is hard to get and I’ll take it when I can get it. It’s taken a long time of planning and prioritizing to get these changes implemented, so I don’t want to hold up the process, who knows when I’d get the time again.

BINGEBOT – you seriously need to remember that the majority of klan raiders are also solo raiders. Unless a day comes when clicking “Join Raid” excludes you from earning solo vanilla during the week klan raiders are getting klan raid scoops and solo scoops. Not the “I’m doing this in the raid” reduced solo scoops, the full 8 per visit solo scoops. Players are getting raid scoops as a benefit on top of solo scoops, not instead of solo scoops.

Laying out the math comparing the two is utterly pointless, since it bumumes that they are exclusive. They are not one or the other. That is why raiding needs to be toned down. Players are using raiding like antifreeze gambling. It is something they do in addition to running their normal visits and p loops. Raids wouldn’t need a bunch of special rules if clicking the “Join Raid” excluded klan raiders from earning solo vanilla, but it does not.

People are going to spin this all as much as possible to suit their own agenda, but the bottom line is that the number you are picking for klan raid scoop earning is what players will be able to get in addition to what they earn as a solo player. Laying it out like it’s a choice between the two options is pointless.

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Or that I can leech in a raid and then do a solo run after?

Because of this.

Nicco Posted:

Because of this.

Any good Domination raid kicks people who leech too much unless they have to do it for a specific reason.

scullyangel Posted:

Raids wouldn’t need a bunch of special rules if clicking the “Join Raid” excluded klan raiders from earning solo vanilla, but it does not.

Maybe it should. Why shouldn’t it?

The 72 for solo players is also a theoretical total. In reality it takes not only skill but a good deal of luck to achieve 72 in a solo raid. 64 or 56 are far more common.

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Got a bug report that klan vanilla ain’t working. Anyone else having similar issues?

http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/24772