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Follow me on Twitter for a BP!SoronTheBeast Posted: |
02/01/2010 | |
items turning into items turning into itemsWell, if EVERYTHING change I can’t wait to see what my 110007 Raffle Tickets I have been holding on to turn into! (view post) |
02/01/2010 | |
items turning into items turning into itemsTheRealSuperHappy Posted:
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02/01/2010 | |
NEVER DIE! RARE ITEM! STOPS DEATH!Who wishes to never die? (view post) |
02/01/2010 | |
SuperGenus2's theory (spoiler)http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/47444-items-turning-into-items-turning-into-items
I think he is full of **** myself, but only time will tell. (view post) |
02/01/2010 | |
NEVER DIE! RARE ITEM! STOPS DEATH!spongebob-scout Posted: |
01/31/2010 | |
Follow me on Twitter for a BP!Log in to see images! (view post) |
01/31/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!I would like to just state, I have argued about religion, for and against, in many places, and this has been one of the more civil discussions I have ever had, on the internet or otherwise… which is VERY surprising to me. Log in to see images! Anansi Posted:Well, I would agree, but the idea at the time was I would still go good, regardless of heaven or not. And without heaven, the good I was doing would have ‘better’ motivation. Anansi Posted:Right, but I was taught in sundayschool that nice non-Catholics would still get into heaven. (I formed this logic while I was still quit young.) (view post) |
01/31/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!Well, right. Humans naturally fear ‘outsides.’ It was a very useful trait back in the day. Religion was initially used to help get over that. “Why should I not steal from the guy 3 blocks down, I don’t even know him?” “Because the storm god might burn your hut down if you do.” Larger tribes that worked well together did better than the smaller tribes that did not. And the larger tribes had superstition/religion holding them together. (view post) |
01/31/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!Sounds about right. However, some religious groups ARE open to ‘othersides,’ but some are VERY closed, it’s true. I think history has taught us that people need very little provocation to hate one another anyway. If religion can’t be used, something else is. (view post) |
01/31/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!man-man Posted: Right, religion was the first “tool” used to get over ‘the monkey space’ problem. Which means, at one point, it was VERY useful. Right now its more of something that makes you part of a “group.” “I’m gender X, nationality Y, play game Z and am religion W.” (view post) |
01/30/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!man-man Posted: Indeed. When people first start doing stuff as a large group it seems you need gods to “trick” them to stay inline. Before you think of other forms of philosophy to show why its a good idea, and hire cops.
In a small tribe its not a issue because humans have genetic tendencies to be nice to “close friends” and everyone is your close friend in a small tribe, but that stops working as the size of the tribe increase to a chiefdom or something. (view post) |
01/30/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!man-man Posted:In every recorded case were this happened, the leader drew on gods for his authority. As in, people might have gotten together for agricultural reasons, but the reasons they were told were religious ones. The structure of the society relied on gods to originally enforce its laws and give people reasons to stay together and listen to the leader.
Now, of course, that’s unnecessary, but when humans were first starting out, that’s was was used every time. Shii Posted: You consider becoming agnostic extreme lengths? I agree with your reasoning in this point of my life, however, people are motavated by self interest. Sometimes enlightened self interest. The argument become moot when I became agnostic. Chawin Posted: You can prove things based on bumumptions, but you can’t prove the bumumptions, they proved it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems (view post) |
01/30/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!Yeah, you’re right. The “more harm than good” statement is impossible to prove, but I went with it to show it did not matter anyway Log in to see images! Most people that use the “more bad than good” argument don’t realize that religion was one of the main reasons people first came together in larger groups than hunter/gather tribes, and is more or less the first ‘step’ in the road to civilization. Also, it was one of the first steps to math and science because it was a major part of primitive abstraction abilities. Atheistic hunter/gather tribes can’t understand number, because they can’t abstract. http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter2-7.php ‘Course, that does not mean it’s currently ‘good.’ But, yes you’re right we would have to build a working definition of ‘good’ first. Log in to see images! (view post) |
01/29/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!Well, I argue against atheist and theist all the time. (Its more or less my hobby, studying arguments for and against) I like arguing against atheists more because they tend to be more open to logic and whatnot so I can more easily debate them on their own terms. Theists tend to be a bit more “I have personally evidence with God I can’t really share” (Normally they had dream or feeling about God that they can’t share, which is more or less impossible to argue against.)
Anyway, if we were to follow through with your “Religion caused more bad than good” (which is something you probably could say if you summed over all of time, however, if you were just looking at religion, say, in the last 20 years it might be harder to prove because religion has lost much of its ability to cause wars, but is still very much apart of humanitarian efforts… but anyway) Following through with that, as a reason to get rid of religion instead of reforming it, I would say we should get rid of all government FIRST, since government has been responsible for every war, EVER, So, it is worse than religion. However, we should probably get rid of science too, since it made every weapon, ever. But, I would say it would be better to just work on making all 3 ‘better,’ instead of getting rid of them.
But, I don’t think that your advocating getting rid of religion (sometimes atheists do that) you’re more saying skepticism is better. And I agree. (view post) |
01/29/2010 | |
Pascal's Wager converted me from Catholicism to Agnosticism!I want to share this logic with you all since it was one of the major reasons why I become agnostic in the first place. If your reading this thread and don’t know what Pascal’s Wager is, well, this argument is a modification of it. In it, I make some bumumptions about God that others might not agree with. I except that, but it was my thinking at the time. I know the “you need faith to get into heaven” part of scriptures, but what are you going to do?
bumumptions: 1) God is all knowing. 2) People that do what God wants get into heaven. 3) God wants you to be good ONLY for the sake of being good.
Based on this, I knew that if I believed in God I would be good knowing that I would get into heaven. God would know this too. In fact, even if I thought I was good for the sake of doing good, GOD would know if I, subconsciously or otherwise, was really doing it to get into heaven. God would know better than I myself would know why I was doing what I was doing.
The only solution I saw to this dilemma was to really and truly stop believing in heaven. But even than, I would still be doing good because God wanted it. So, the only solution I saw was to also stop believing in God.
At which point I convinced myself to being a good person for Humanist reasons. I know this is flawed because I still might subconsciously believe in God. I have spend most of my life after that point embracing materialism, so at this point I really don’t care what God thinks, because I don’t believe in Him.
Also, I hate when theists try to use Pascal’s Wager. Anyway, at this point in my life I have a plethora of reasons to be agnostic and not a theist of any kind, but this is how I started down that road. Soron’s Wager: To be a good Christian, you have to not believe in God.
Edit: Hmm… now that I’ve written it out, it does look a little circular….. Well, not the not believing in God part, the still being a good person part. (view post) |
01/29/2010 | |
NEVER DIE! RARE ITEM! STOPS DEATH!http://www.forumwarz.com/auctions/show/420644-fairy-in-a-bottle
How would you like to MAGICALLY COME BACK TO LIFE? Instead of dieing? That’s right, with this sucker, the next time you would die, you DON’T!
You now have the choice to die or not!
http://www.forumwarz.com/auctions/show/420644-fairy-in-a-bottle (view post) |
01/29/2010 | |
Follow me on Twitter for a BP!Log in to see images! sent plenty more to give out!
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01/29/2010 | |
Follow me on Twitter for a BP!BP sent!
60 more BP to give out! (view post) |
01/28/2010 | |
About HugMastaDougHey, was that Blow-Up Doll I sold one of the items you guys are talking about? Or is it just the quest items?(view post) |
01/26/2010 |