Yeah, but the Oblivion was supposed to be using a new engine too, and they ****ed that up seriously.

Don’t get me wrong, it was a great game, but it sufferend from Fable syndrome in that everybody kept saying how amazing the new engine was going to be and people would live their own lives even when you’re not around, but then people kept attacking each other because everybody is an bumhole like real life so they dumbed it down and we got Oblivion.

I saw the family next door playing it once, it looked pretty good.