The times for these things (and for lemon scoops) do need to be revised following the recent series of nerfs, I believe ET said he would do this, but I don’t think he has yet.

Also, having the times for these things be clbum-specific would be nice. Clbumes that can spam their two most powerful attacks as “1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2” are going to go faster than, say, Hackers who go “3,1,4,1,2,1,5,1,6,1,3,1,4”. Or at least, requiring one clbum to need more keyboard dexterity to speedrun than any other clbum needs seems… weird.

In the meantime, I just never attempt these things.