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Posted On: 01/11/2010 7:25PM | View spacekadt's Profile | # | ||||||
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Bill the Butcher Posted:
This actually scares me a little bit.
On a different note, yes, I’d very much like to know when dom season will end.
Also, I think the monotony of dom at this point has turned a lot of new players away from playing it. Joseph of Suburbia edited this message on 01/11/2010 7:42PM |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 7:41PM | View Joseph of Suburb...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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I’m not great with subtext…did Bill the Butcher just threaten to murder ET? |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 7:42PM | View Malaise's Profile | # | ||||||
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Hire another person? Do you people actually think you donate enough to suggest the things you are suggesting? Living wage for Toronto is 35k a year. CZ needs about $100 a day to support 1 person at the rate. That of course doesn’t include game maintenance costs.
The timing on this is ridiculously unreasonable.
The single dom priority right now, the only thing reasonable to ask, is that CZ let people know when the season is ending (odds are solid for release of Ep 3 based on past) and then announce in advance that the new season will not be starting for several weeks to give people time to play Episode 3. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 8:08PM | View scully's Profile | # | ||||||
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scully Posted:
Who are you calling You People?
I think that Amasius made a valid suggestion that doing the prep work on what needs to be fixed can and should be done now with the understanding that nothing will be implemented until after Episode 3. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 8:26PM | View Malaise's Profile | # | ||||||
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scully Posted:
So hire somebody in Mumbai… Or train someone else in CZ to do it… Whatever, as long as you balance the risk. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 9:11PM | View Daniel Plainview...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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I don’t understand why this thread got derailed so much.
BT proposed 4 things: – fixed dom season rotation – theme weeks comeback – <some new e-peen> – CZ paying attention to Dom forum
I’m damn sure theme weeks are enabled/disabled in the admin console. The interface is already preset, no coding required. Not at all. All it takes is a gentle click on the mouse bumon. Starting/Finishing new dom season is another click in admin console, plus some minor time to hand out the peens, which is again JB’s job, not ET’s, not to mention this is not something really urgent to do. New <domfabulous person> or whatever e-peen too.
Major Dom advancements and Dom Advisory Board require ET’s attention of course, but three out of four BT’s props could be done in no time. So what’s the problem? |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 9:25PM | View Inconnu's Profile | # | ||||||
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lol i drunk posted this last night and now it’s all srs. Log in to see images!
you guys remember that whole hour binge spent with us in irc back in like july or something? many of you manage to hold full time jobs and still have time to play 5 alts in dom every week so i really wanna know what binge’s excuse is. if he doesn’t want to do it anymore, that’s fine, just get someone else. like Malaise. the domfabulous persons who have posted in this thread probably represent like 1000 or more dollars that have been paid to CZ mainly for the creation of new alts and such to play dom with and it’s kinda ****ty that we’re virtually ignored. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 9:36PM | View wtfmcnuggets's Profile | # | ||||||
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wtfmcnuggets Posted:
1k dollars is like nothing when it comes to paying people ****. and i think it’s quite clear that CZ favors newbies who put in a few bucks for the cheats or episodes over longtimers who repeatedly donate lots. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 10:58PM | View TUBSWEETIE's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inconnu Posted:
Not going through the rest of the thread right now… or even the rest of the points since it’s my roomie’s bday and people will be here in minutes.
I talked to ET earlier today and “some of them are, some of them aren’t” is the answer I got when I asked him if it was simple click to turn on/off theme weeks.
It’s really better to not bumume what the admins can/can’t do “with the click of a bumon” since things that may not ever be re-used don’t often deserve to have an interface built. That and you really don’t know what the database looks like behind the scenes. |
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Posted On: 01/11/2010 11:26PM | View spacekadt's Profile | # | ||||||
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spacekadt Posted:
Dear Spacekadt.
Also, despite I really appreciate your loyalty to CZ, I would like to mention that players ultimately possess the right to have their own opinions and even share it sometimes in a threads like this. On the other hand, any game administration has a right to either respond to such opinions or not. I respect this right and naturally won’t be offended in case ****tard’s (and many others) opinions would not lead to any practical implementation.
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 1:42AM | View Inconnu's Profile | # | ||||||
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everything he says makes perfect sense to me. |
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 1:47AM | ****tard | # | ||||||
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Hi Spacey, how is being the Devil’s Advocate working out for you?
Personally I’d be a little miffed if they had a Theme Week so soon after Episode 3 opens since I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it. I’d be starting with Episode 3 and have no streak pretty soon…
Didn’t they say though that they would have the Dom season end timed with the Launch of Episode 3? Oh hey! Launch is on the 20th which is a Wednesday! I guess everyone better get out their dueling gloves because it is officially on to get those season peen before the end now.
Lets face it, they wouldn’t want to have the end right after launch so as not to aggravate players. At least… I wouldn’t… |
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 5:07AM | View Dunatis's Profile | # | ||||||
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So does the season end next week or not? Does next dom week end on a Tuesday or Wednesday?
See my objection is not that they don’t make domination a priority, it is that they treat the domination playing community with complete contempt. Every season, again and again, we ask to be told well in advance when the seasons will end so that we can employ some basic strategy. Every season it comes out of left field. |
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 10:33AM | View Fiasco's Profile | # | ||||||
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My money is it ends at normal Dom end time on the 20th which is the Wednesday, then the site goes down until they get Episode 3 up which also starts the next Dom season. |
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 10:50AM | View Dunatis's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inconnu Posted:
And some of us, despite knowing how databases work, know that people design things differently. Some of us have seen people get really ****ing sick and tired of people bumuming that things are simple when they aren’t. Some of us have been around for said rants about said subjects. Some of us are clued into the fact that bumumptions are often wrong and that unless you have first hand knowledge or have *seen* the way things work with your own two eyes, that you really don’t know anything for a fact. You’re making a guess. Some of them are, yes. And I said as much. Some of them aren’t.
Inconnu Posted:
I suggest you look up the definitions of “bumumption”, “opinion” and “fact”. While fact doesn’t exactly apply here, what you’re stating is very definitely not opinion. It’s an bumumption – one that has some basis in fact, some is horribly wrong.
Please notice: nowhere did I say that I disagree with ****tard. I think she has good suggestions and I agree with them. I just think the timing is wrong for some of them. My response that you’re taking such issue with has nothing to do with her suggestions, it’s with this exact quote:
Inconnu Posted:
You don’t know that to be fact. Stop presenting it as such. You want to say “Hey ET, you really should have foreseen the need to make that an option for yourself,” then that’s fine. That’s an opinion that you have every right to and whether I agree or not is completely out of the picture. When you say “no coding requred. Not at all.” that’s no longer opinion. You’re presenting that as a fact – whether true or not.
Dunatis Posted:
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Dunatis Posted:
Unfortunately, no. That’s a lot of what has everyone so frustrated right now… there’s no decided end of the current season. With ep2’s release, they ended the season so it kinda makes sense that they’d end the season for the ep3 release, but we’re a week away and there’s no announcement. Last season end, Binge finally figured out that we need more than a week’s notice to get ourselves set up the way we want to be for season end. Putting both of those together kinda contradict each other so, yeah, confusion. I’ll poke ET today and see if Binge has said anything about season end. It’d be good to know – that’s for sure. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 01/12/2010 1:23PM | View spacekadt's Profile | # | ||||||
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We dropped the ball on Domination.
There, I said it.
I feel bad about it, but I hope you guys understand that we have a very small team here. We have approximately 1.5 full time employees (Myself and JB for about 6 months a year) and this is a large, constantly moving site.
The rest of the work is done largely by volunteers or people who are willing to work for the change we can scrape up, and we really appreciate it. (I think when you guys see how much quality content there is in Ep3 you’ll appreciate it too!_)
The major problem with volunteer work is you can’t really force people to do it. Sometimes people start doing it enthusiastically, but then quickly lose steam. This can happen for many reasons, from obligations in their personal lives to just plain losing interest.
Running a site like this might seem easy on the outside, but you’d be amazed how much work it is just to stay on top of your volunteers. We have to trust the people who work with us — we don’t have time to apply pressure constantly and remind people of their own deadlines because we’re so busy just doing the jobs we don’t really have enough time to do in the first place!
Now I don’t want to upset anyone when I say this, but since there was speculation on the bottom line: Episode 2 has by FAR been our most profitable product. We’ve spent a lot of time and money developing Episode 3, and it’s important to release it just to keep our heads above water. Yes, I agree that Dominations failings hurt our bottom line, but not nearly as much as delaying a new Episode.
So where do we go from here? Episode 3 is almost out the door. There will be some support that follows that, since last minute bugs are always found even following a long Beta period. After that, we are going to re-evaluate our priorities, and I promise Domination will be high on that list.
I’m also interested in improving the process — why was it that after a week or two of Domination enhancements most people felt the game was worse?
How can we have more themes? How can we have seasons end on a regular and predictable time frame?
So the tl;dr version is: I’m sorry it’s been broken for so long, but the major product that’s gotten in its way is almost done, so it won’t be much longer. As for the end date, I’m posting a new thread about that now. |
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Posted On: 01/14/2010 3:19PM | View Evil Trout's Profile | # | ||||||
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thanks for replying and announcing an end date to the season. congrats on getting ep 3 done, and i’m happy that you plan on addressing domination next.
Evil Trout Posted:
you mean the gameplay enhancements? i’ve been around for over a year now and i don’t recall any dom enhancements. unless you mean this list, most of which still has not been implemented, besides the new lemon which i think we all appreciate. the other gameplay enhancements just make a tedious task more annoying imo. sure it makes the gameplay more interesting, but typically once people start playing dom, the fun of pwning forums has p much been exhausted. but whatever, the true problem lies with vanilla, because it takes forever to do a solo raid now.
How can we have more themes? How can we have seasons end on a regular and predictable time frame?
plenty of themes already exist. all you really need to do is say “hey guys, next week is a theme week!” then choose one of the themes you already have coded, and during the dom blackout, implement that code. and poof! more theme weeks. before the last two seasons, i believe dom seasons lasted 20 weeks. seems like a reasonable amount of time. if you don’t like 20, decide on another number, announce it and stick with it.
klan vanilla is a fun aspect of dom. it brings people together and removes a lot of the monotony of the solo vanilla raid. there are lots of ideas in the domination advisory board forum as to how this could be fixed. perhaps if we had another “raiders of the lost scoops” theme week, and people tried raiding in the current conditions, we’d generate more ideas about how to fix klan vanilla. |
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Posted On: 01/14/2010 6:15PM | View wtfmcnuggets's Profile | # | ||||||
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I think ET is referring to the last major dom changes which introduced the Stray Bullet and neutered klan vanilla for anyone not abusing the bug that was allowing WeChall to continue raiding.
To answer ET, I believe the reason everyone felt it was worse is because the solution offered was the extreme opposite of overpowered klan vanilla – completely useless klan vanilla. A middle ground was what the majority of vocal players were asking and it seemed odd that the restrictions went so far overboard. The timing of it was made worse by the strengthening of the pistachio streak, which created a situation where if you weren’t high end of your streak there wasn’t much point in playing.
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Posted On: 01/14/2010 6:41PM | View scully's Profile | # | ||||||
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Malaise Posted:
I already have The Evil Trout Hate Club peen, where do I go from here? |
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Posted On: 01/14/2010 7:39PM | View Malaise's Profile | # | ||||||
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