Bacchus, I probably could have gone on my whole life happily without ever remembering this attempt at an argument with an opponent who simply diverted all blame away from their side with “Da gub’mint forced ‘dem to” ending with some good old Ad Hominem. You ruined a good hour at work when it aggravated me for a while Log in to see images! Dunatis edited this message on 12/06/2010 12:48AM

Dunatis Posted:

Bacchus, I probably could have gone on my whole life happily without ever remembering this attempt at an argument with an opponent who simply diverted all blame away from their side with “Da gub’mint forced ‘dem to” ending with some good old Ad Hominem. You ruined a good hour at work when it aggravated me for a while Log in to see images!

If it means anything I’m pretty much entirely with you on this but the argument itself was just too entertaining. Log in to see images!

Well, at least you can take comfort in the fact that you feel that theft is humanitarian, and that the laws of economics will bend to government whim.

You won’t be dealing with actual reality, of course, but if substituting your own reality makes you feel better….

**** yeah this thread. Veer would be so proud if he ever came back which he never will

OverclockedJesus Posted:

Condescending words

Well, at least you can take comfort in the fact that you feel that all evil is the fault of the government, and that any ethical problems caused by a corporate or financial entity can in some way be linked to them.

You won’t be dealing with actual reality, of course, but if substituting your own reality makes you feel better….

Bacchus Posted:

I’d like to point out that bumping threads is good for Flamebate. Log in to see images!

Bump!

OverclockedJesus Posted:

Problem for you is that I don’t, whereas you do feel that theft is humanitarian and governments can make up the rules of economics as they go along.

I can only bumume that you mean I am arguing in favor of governments and all that they stand for (utter evil apparently?), despite my claim in several posts that I am an anarchist. My claim in this specific argument was that “Government in charge” > “Corporation in charge”, as well as the idea that a power structure in a power void (corporation with a lack of government for example) will become a governing body unto itself. Feel free to remember my position before making baseless accusations.

OverclockedJesus Posted:

The rest of your whining has been snipped. In the future, do try not to throw a tantrum as a substitute for real discourse. And do learn what an ad hominem is; prattling on about it when you don’t know what it is makes you look rather foolish.

Ad Hominem is when you attack the person not the argument. I accused you of being a male reproductive organ rather than saying anything about your argument (not even trying to make discourse at this point) and as for yourself

OverclockedJesus Posted:

Feel free to get some intellectual integrity. I will say that you at least made an effort—right up until you got too close to your core beliefs. Then you pulled a Brave Sir Robin.

That sounds like insulting my integrity and calling me a coward. I tried to argue from multiple points and do not recall backpedaling at all, but feel free to find somewhere I did.

Flailing about like a jackbum AFTER the whole thing was done could be considered flawed integrity, however I had already stepped away so that’s a discussion in and of itself right there as to whether or not it applies.

OverclockedJesus Posted:

I can’t insult what you don’t have.

Yes, not at all insulting, how could I have been so blind!

OverclockedJesus Posted:

And that has never been shown to be truth. In fact, that sounds like something a terrified statist would say while running for the solace of Daddy Government—which clearly does not bode well for your claim of being an “anarchist”.

Once again you forget my initial argument relying not only on a lack of government, but a lack of financial structure. Resource management yes, to say otherwise would be very special, but not based on a monetary system. And before you say anything yes this is the most hippie idealist theory possible. I acknowledge the inability for large groups of people to work under this at this time but it doesn’t mean I can’t believe in it or desire a progression towards it.

As far as political theory not being shown as the truth, none of your claims of a lack of government in a corporate run system being ideal or even better than the current system have been shown to be truth. Unless of course we’re considering Somalia to be a rousing success, but even then there is an interim government which makes it hard to tell true cause and effect. Furthermore an improvement from what they had before doesn’t say much in war torn third world countries.

OverclockedJesus Posted:

I looked and did not find that claim from you. Feel free to start being honest.

I would have figured that my Log in to see images! might have shown my first claim that I find government technically unnecessary and a waste of time and resources. Combined with the fact that I am arguing against anarcho-capitalism and defending governing bodies which you claim I am in love with, I guess I kind of bumumed that one would add 2 and 2 together to find the conclusion that as much as I would like to have anarcho-communism, I would prefer to have a government running things. I did not state this outright in a concise manner until recently and I apologize if putting all of that together was a little complex for you.

I was never arguing for my ideal position, instead I was arguing for what I consider to be the interim position between yours and my own which relies on a larger group to try and guide morality until it is no longer needed and people care enough about each other to no longer require big brother. I find this preferable to having dollar values bumigned to all of our lives and all things on earth which being constantly bumaulted by marketers telling us what we want and feel to sell it all to me.

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