no. if we were the ONLY life on a SINGLE planet out of MORE THAN BILLIONS of solar systems that contain a star and 6ish planets each (all in a single galaxy in which theres are thousands of)that would be slightly very special.

Great picture. I’m gonna read more about the blue binary star tomorrow.

My thought is we’re not alone, but probably so far away from anybody else that it’s effectively the same thing as being alone.

momentumenergy Posted:

Also the probability of life is probably as mind boggling if not more than the size of the universe imo

earth is a statistically improbable planet. There were very specific things that had to happen to make it all work. Now, the universe is a big place, so its kind of likely that maybe it would happen again. But in this galaxy or this time period? who can really say. And although the size of the universe may be infinite, the matter in it is not.

Although there are some people who believe that the universe could not exist without someone to observe it anyway, so idk really.

lachybus Posted:

Ill just like to take this thread to say that in 2012 (end of the world year) the 10th planet in the solar system – Planet Nibiru (a.k.a. Planet X) will go past earth on it’s 3,600 year orbit. However, due to the gravitational force of the other plannets etc blah blah blah. It will crash into the earth. This event has already happened several million years ago (the meterorite that wiped out the dinosaurs) and created the asteroid belt. Nibiru is actually inhabited by aliens who after the last orbit, appeared on Earth and became the ancient gods known as the Anunannki/Nefilim (Ancient Mesopotamiaian gods). Two of these gods – Enki and Enlil became known as God and the Devil, however no one can tell which is which (I belive Enki is God).

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So YES we are not alone in the universe

Wow.

Insignificant chance becomes significant for large values of N.

The universe is so immense the chances of another lifeform are high, not low.

Probability(Event) -> infinity as time approaches infinity.

(Large Universe) X (Large amount of time) X (Small probability of an independent event) == (Large probability of a single event)

Shii, what are the chances you’ll roll a million heads in a row? Close to zero right?

What if a billion people flip those coins for billions of years? The chances are much better.

See where the analogy of “large universe, long time” comes in?

Shii Posted:

Yeh, but you do realize that 15 billion years equals 15 x 10^9, right? That’s not even remotely on the same magnitude as 1 x 10^166,000.

To give you an idea of how enormous that number is, if you took a cross-section of the universe (i.e. a flat plane with it’s width/length) the number of square inches inside it are roughly 1 x 10^34.

So the universe is a fertile field with many possible random collisions that result in life. Great.

DarkDespair5 Posted:

The chance of an independent event occurring equals event chance (i.e. coin flips) times time (more probability events)

I understand that; thusly why the probability of the random acids combining correctly being so completely unfathomable. The simplest eukaryotic bacterium still has thousands and thousands of letters of DNA to it; it only takes one being placed wrongly to potentially kill it.

You take the probability of each independant acid combining correctly, with a very sparse amount of stimuli that can make this occur (obviously sparse, since science has proven repeatedly life doesn’t spntaneously generate in a lab) and the billion years or so that it took to happen suddenly look very insignificant indeed.

Shii Posted:

I understand that; thusly why the probability of the random acids combining correctly being so completely unfathomable. The simplest eukaryotic bacterium still has thousands and thousands of letters of DNA to it; it only takes one being placed wrongly to potentially kill it.

You take the probability of each independant acid combining correctly, with a very sparse amount of stimuli that can make this occur (obviously sparse, since science has proven repeatedly life doesn’t spntaneously generate in a lab) and the billion years or so that it took to happen suddenly look very insignificant indeed.

“Life” (in the sense of simple, replicating molecules) *has* been spontaneously generated under early earth conditions in a lab. These conditions are unlikely, but not impossible in a short time span. But we’re talking billions of years. This molecule was not made of conventional DNA or RNA, either. It shows that the universe can have more than one type of life-forming reaction. How about viruses? Some are so simple they have almost no genome. They are not technically considered “alive”, but they ARE evolving particles nonetheless. Not all mutations would kill a bacterium, and a wrongly placed DNA nucleotide could be beneficial.

Do you really believe the endless molecular collisions in space would not result in at least *one* durable replicating biomolecule?