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	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle I’ll i am saying is that people can govern themselves better than big government. It’s tiring to see my generation abandon democracy in favor of socialism because some minority wants money from the government and/or feels like they aren’t accepted and loved and celebrated by everyone. Besides if the proposition is illegal the court system will overturn it anyway. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle spacekadt Posted: and we’re back to semantics. currently, the only way to bestow these rights is by a government recognized “marriage” (in quotes because that’s the exact word, not for sarcasm). however, 52% (a ***ing slim* majority) just defined “marriage” as only being valid between a man and a woman. a damned slim majority just removed civil rights from a minority. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how this is ok… hell. take marriage out of the picture. with this law/court ruling, I could just as easily say that any registered independent voter should not be allowed to own a home. all I need is 50.1% of voters to agree with me and now I’ve removed that right as well. it’s a really ***ing slippery slope that I’m not* ok with. I already did. http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view_post/619626 Felon’s can’t vote and I don’t see you raging over that. Aren’t they a minority too? Should we protect them from the evil, ignorant majority? What about their civil rights? Or we just pick and choose who we need to “protect”. Have you ever thought that maybe you are wrong on this issue? Have you ever though that if the evil, bigoted majority doesn’t want something it shouldn’t be imposed on them. And maybe the poor oppressed minority should pack up and leave if they don’t like it? The whole issue is about money and acceptance. You can’t force people to accept something and the government can choose who it wasn’t to give money to. Everyone here is acting like these people are beaten and thrown into concentration camps. Go to China and see how they treat gays there, and then tell me we are discriminating against gays here. I done posting in this thread but i may come back for more liberal OUTRAAAAAAAAGGGGE if I need a laugh. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle spacekadt Posted: You’ve brought it up and GR continues to. I think it’s a fair discussion point here… especially because she didn’t address it to you specifically or on a quote about something entirely different. I never posted anything pertaining to homosexuality. I never said it was wrong, or right, or a fetish or whatever. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle spacekadt Posted: So hetero couples that have no desire/ability to produce children shouldn’t be able to get married? Why should a hetero person be able to act as next of kin, but not a gay person? Look up marriage, it has nothing to do with children and everything to do with legal rights and responsibilities. The reason marriage is recognized by the government is they have vested interests in the marriage. Children are the future of the nation and government, so yes marriage has something to do with children AMONG OTHER THINGS. As I’ve said before, marriage is not a right. No where in the bill of rights does it say marriage is a right. Civil rights are rights IMPOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT. NOT AN INHERITANCE RIGHT. So if gays want marriage rights the government has to give it to them. Since we are supposedly self governing we should vote on the issue. If the amendment is unconstitutional then the courts will overturn it. Either way what is right will be done. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle plk Posted: I don’t expect every disenfranchised minority group to recognize that other minorities are in exactly the same position that they are in. We see racism between racial and ethnic minority groups all the time even with groups who really “ought” to be on the same side. So sorry, but I don’t much care how many black voters do or don’t support gay marriage. I see it as a fundamental civil right and I’m not okay with bull**** watered down civil unions for gays as long as there are some people who will get to call themselves married. Didn’t we learn a long time ago that separate but equal is inherently unequal? No minority is discriminated against in the country. People just think that if something doesn’t benefit homosexuals, minorities, women then it is discrimination. Marriage is not a right. No where in the bill of rights does it say marriage is a right. Civil rights are rights IMPOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT. NOT AN INHERITANCE RIGHT. So if gays want marriage rights the government has to give it to them. Since we are self governing we must vote on the issue. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle spacekadt Posted: I’ll come back and actually read this later… but what I didn’t see in my quick skim is a mention of the fact that it now only takes a majority vote to not just deny, but strip, the rights of a minority. And the court upheld it. That right there is a really **ing scary thought. Marriage is not a right. It is a set of legal obligations imposed because the government has a legal interest in unions that have, among other things, the potential to produce children. No one is trying to “strip” homosexuals of their rights. What “really **ing scary” is that i have been stripped of my RIGHT to bear arms as I please. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle Bill_Murray_Fan_7383 Posted: Segregation was ended by a Supreme Court decision, not a vote. Are you saying we’d have been better off waiting for voters to accept equal rights for blacks? Wait, don’t answer that, I just realized you’re Generic Racist. Log in to see images! Well the argument the being gay is equal to being black didn’t hold water with black voters. 7 out 10 voted against it. Discrimination against people is different then discrimination against different kinds of behavior. No one has the right to force people’s approval of these behaviors. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle markchd Posted: Really? I kinda figured the fact that the article is about more evangelical Christians under 25 than New Deal democrats over 65 being in favor of legalizing gay marriage pretty clearly implied that the article espouses a democratic solution in addition to finding it inevitable. ”It doesn’t matter, because it’s coming.” Telling someone that their opinion/vote/voice won’t matter is ignorant. The only thing inevitable in life is death. Gay marriage is FAR from inevitable. California proved that at ballot. And who is to say that those under 25 will support gay marriage in the future? Furthermore, who is to say their children will support gay marriage? This generation obviously differs in opinion from their parents. (view post)	06/03/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle DarkDespair5 Posted: Majority rule, minority rights. Can’t ignore the latter in support of the former. That’s why I think state’s rights are so importiant. What may be the majority in Alaska may be the minority in Iowa. So why not let them both have what they want instead of the Federal Government just picking one and making everyone abide by the same rules when they don’t want to and shouldn’t have to. (view post)	06/02/2009
	The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle Personally I don’t care either way, as long as it’s put to a vote. Atrocities like what happened in Mbumachusetts and posts like this: ”It doesn’t matter, because it’s coming.” I said. “Our kids’ generation will see to that. The only choice you or anybody else has is whether, while this issue is being hashed out, you talk and behave in a way that will make you proud when all the dust has settled.” are the only things that bother me about this issue. People tend to forget these kind of things must be voted on, and just because you think it’s a crime that gays can’t get married doesn’t make it so. If the people that live there don’t want it then it shouldn’t be forced down their throats. Conversely, if the proposition pbumes then the that’s fine, let them marry there. (view post)	06/02/2009
	Requesting Urgent Business Consulting You won’t know until you have sex with each and every one of them. I know this a tedious chore and goes against your homosexual beliefs but it’s the truth. (view post)	06/02/2009
	revealing gender for bp! I like your name (view post)	06/02/2009
	Please HELP!! Sell me your male reproductive organ ENLARGEMENT TUTORIALS! http://www.forumwarz.com/auctions/show/258671-male reproductive organ-enlargement-tutorial-8211-really-works-sdoc Good luck getting the best bidder e-peen! (view post)	06/02/2009
	Question: would you let your child play Forumwarz? curious as to what duca votes (view post)	06/02/2009
	the kaiser thrad. for all u kaiser needs. post the kaiserest kaisers u got AHAHAHAHAHA GLORIOUS!!!!!! :kaiser: (view post)	06/02/2009
	Our nation has strayed from the mandates our forefathers have set for us. Where did we go wrong? LIBERAL WHITE GUILT (view post)	06/02/2009
	UNBAN FIE <3 ya permaban fie you fascist mods! (view post)	06/01/2009
	the one i love doesn't love me back Log in to see images! (view post)	06/01/2009
	Lee_Harvey_Oswalds actual IRL face Log in to see images! (view post)	06/01/2009
	You guys have any pets? good dog look like he would attack a Log in to see images! (view post)	05/31/2009

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