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– Do nothing, what’s the worst that can happen? You all get more alts to compete with each other.. downside?
The worst that can happen simply is that those without the money to buy dozens of alts or the time to play them have almost no chance to win in the higher brackets. It’s as simple as that. At the moment most top players have already more than a dozen alts and if you do nothing the arms race will continue.
This seems to ruin the top bracket for the most active players. I’d rather reward the devoted Domination players, not hurt them. As such, I don’t really think this is an option long term.
– Ensure each persons alt is in a different bracket than the other. The issue is (and we’ve seen this before) if you have 10 alts, you’ll have one in the top 10 brackets, and chances are, you’ll end up in an inactive bracket getting all the medals, that’s why we now allow alts in the same bracket!!
First: fix those empty brackets. Seriously. Second: limit the amount of alts per bracket at least to 2. That’s still a big advantage but at least not ridiculously big.
You’re missing the issue.. with enough alts, there aren’t enough active brackets to make this fair. If I have 20 alts, and I end up with 2 in every of the 10 brackets the 10th bracket (bumuming it’s inactive) will be an easy win for 4 medals to whichever alt is in there. So saying “fix empty brackets” doesn’t really help.
– Only allow X alts to participate in Domination (X = 2??). I hate limits like this and would rather avoid a hard cap.
Not a perfect solution but a certain maximum would be good, though 2 is way to low. Like you can only play dom with 6 or 10 alts/week and can have only two in the same bracket. If you have more alts you can still use them as pushers. Not a perfect solution but better than the status quo.
Maybe this option will work then…
– You choose how you’re going to participate during a given week, solo domination or klan.. klans are split off into their own bracket, all scoops are aggregate, all medals are shared.
I don’t see how this could work. There aren’t enough dom klans and players of a smaller dom klan without much chances to win would just play solo domination.
In the end there would probably be just one very big dom klan and the members of this klan would get their medals week after week. Doesn’t sound like a good idea.
You’re probably right.. maybe we could impose a klan size.. 10 max per klan.. first come, first served.. the other klannies would be in the solo brackets. That could work and would make things VERY interesting IMO.
– Brackets are formed not JUST on # medals, but rather a domination score made up of things like # medals total, # medals earned last week, # scoops total last week, # scoops earned last week, # cards purchased, # cards used, etc
Hm, this would probably result in good players trying to medal without earning a lot of scoops so that they get medals and still don’t get into the highest brackets. Interesting and it would punish klan raiders while it makes last minute solo runs even more powerful.
With this strategy you might still get alts in the same bracket.. it’ll basically put the most active members together week after week.. bracket size limits would be good too.
The point is there may not be a perfect solution but something is required. And it needs to work in a formulaic way for all brackets. We can’t eyeball the brackets every week, so there needs to be a consistent manner that we divide brackets. Capish? So, ideas?
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10/18/2008 |
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So.. with all this in mind. Here are the options as I see them:
– Do nothing, what’s the worst that can happen? You all get more alts to compete with each other.. downside? Log in to see images!
– Ensure each persons alt is in a different bracket than the other. The issue is (and we’ve seen this before) if you have 10 alts, you’ll have one in the top 10 brackets, and chances are, you’ll end up in an inactive bracket getting all the medals, that’s why we now allow alts in the same bracket!!
– Only allow X alts to participate in Domination (X = 2??). I hate limits like this and would rather avoid a hard cap.
– You choose how you’re going to participate during a given week, solo domination or klan.. klans are split off into their own bracket, all scoops are aggregate, all medals are shared.
– Brackets are formed not JUST on # medals, but rather a domination score made up of things like # medals total, # medals earned last week, # scoops total last week, # scoops earned last week, # cards purchased, # cards used, etc
Thoughts?
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10/17/2008 |
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<END TRANSMISSION>
I like themes, how about you? What’s a theme? THAT’S WHAT!
Starting yesterday (Wednesday) at 9PM EST is DOMINATION: Screw Episode 2 Beta week!
– With all the success of Episode 2 and the fact that we’re still working out some kinks (at least for the first week) there have been some lost scoops, and more importantly some balance issues that require further adjustment (around difficulty and timing for speed runs). As such THERE ARE NO MEDALS THIS WEEK.
If this theme is successful we’ll consider making it permanent.
Have fun and play nice.
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10/16/2008 |
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Ash Ketchum Posted:
I like the dialog, but I hate not being able to see more due to only level 20 forums to pwn, and perma-noobs don’t get any new stuff yet, making it near-impossible.
Also, why do hackers get so much Luck?
Permanoob has story art now! And there are new abilities…
But, if you don’t like grinding forums you probably shouldn’t be playing an RPG Log in to see images!
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10/16/2008 |
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How could you leave me? I WAS INSIDE YOU!
You can’t quit me, I QUIT YOU!
B2015
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10/15/2008 |
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Inertia Posted:
Ssssoooo, new rounds have started, if you all look at the dom table, you see everyone’s already getting on with the round. Is this really the start of season 3 or like said in the op, it will start after ep2 comes out. Will the current progress be reset?
Spoke to ET, OP has been updated again to reflect what’s actually taking place.
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10/14/2008 |
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Update made to the OP, check it for details.
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10/14/2008 |
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Andy_Dextruss Posted:
So when will the next season begin? When can we start earning scoops? Like 10pm tuesday (after season 2 ends)? Or Wednesday, and what time?
I need to know whether or not to save visits or use some up this round.
You may be able earn scoops and whatnot on Tuesday after this weeks round ends, but the next season won’t officially start until Wednesday when the server is back up. I would wait for the server to be rolled over (and for it to be proven as reliable) before you use any visits on scoops. Just to be on the safe side.
B2015
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10/13/2008 |
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Zombie_Apocalypse Posted:
We should have one named Lemon Party. With this theme, everyone who earns 1 lemon scoop should get a threesome of them instead.
This theme would really **** off people who rely on other scoop types to earn their trophies, that’s why it’s good.
I like it, added to the list.
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10/12/2008 |
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Balloon Posted:
So… will the counter display the right time or do mentally subtract a 1 because it’s really not a big deal.
Ur, math is HARD!
Ends the same time of day though, I’m bumuming.
Working on it Log in to see images!
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10/12/2008 |
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Balloon Posted:
Riddler- A question mark in place of the number of how many cards you have. It’d make Peeping Toms slightly more useful.
Actually I like this as a theme rather than a card. I’m going to add it to the list.
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10/12/2008 |
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scullyangel Posted:
– male reproductive organshot: Nullifies the next card someone tries to use (doesn’t have to be directed at you)
How would this be played? Choose a target player or a general blanket against the next card?
You would choose a target player.
scullyangel Posted:
– Crouching Coward: The next offensive domination card that you play on a player will appear anonymous
Funny. Probably wouldn’t be used nearly as much as people think it would be though, since it pretty much requires 8 scoops to hit and you still might hit a Shield. If it had a built in 1 scoop attack it would be big fun.
Yeah.. sure why not!?! Perhaps it could just flag that the next attack that gets through is labeled as coming from whatever player you choose Log in to see images! That way you can set it and forget it.
scullyangel Posted:
– Scoop Giv’r!: Give X scoops to another character (X = 2 or 3) (the other character can’t be in your klan and can’t be an alt?)
Can’t do it. This would simply be an alt abuse card. I’ll use my alts to beef up my buddy, he will use his to beef me up. We will be solo klanned and communicate in chat. Speaking as someone who often has 2 or 3 alts in a bracket, this is bad. With this card, I could choose medal winners every week.
That’s too bad, cause giving people scoops could be a fun way to mess up their scoop based medals (like fibonacci or end on a target number). Guess you’d have to stick to removing scoops Log in to see images!
scullyangel Posted:
– Card Giv’r!: Give a card another character (the other character can’t be in your klan and can’t be an alt?)
Not a fan. It would simply encourage klans to be klans without having their characters in klan. Honestly anything that hinges on where your character is camped is pretty easy to work around.
Fine.
scullyangel Posted:
– Crazy Cooter: This card removes 3 scoops at random, from 3 random characters
Too powerful for a 4 scoop card. A single card that can potentially take out 3+ Shields is just too strong.
Ah, didn’t consider that.. maybe it would just fizzle if it hit a shield? If it did get through, then it would do the proposed damage. If it’s too weak then it could remove 2 scoops from 3 random players each… so 6 scoops total. Keep in mind this could hit you.. or a klanny.
scullyangel Posted:
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We’re also considering a higher cost set of cards, perhaps 8 or 10 scoops?
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– Erection: Takes X scoops of your choosing and puts them all into one scoop flava (maybe X = 5?)
Like a really big focused Modest Improvement or something to consolidate your scoops? The really big Modest would become the standard. The consolidation would never be used. 8 scoops to move 5 with no actual gain? Seems like a lot of scoop loss that could be easily done with a Switcharoo. But maybe it would be useful if the The Fibonacci Sequence medal is implemented.
Noted.
scullyangel Posted:
– Flacid: Redistribute X scoops of a chosen flava and randomly spread them out (maybe X = 5?)
Extremely useful for adjusting Minimum Scoops, but honestly too costly to be practical.
This tells me that we should implement Log in to see images!
scullyangel Posted:
– Pbum the Buck: Redirects the next card used against you to the next user (based on total scoops)
Could replace The Shield as the card to have.
Again, replacing cheaper cards isn’t a bad thing.. go ahead, THROW YOUR SCOOPS AWAY! Log in to see images!
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– Chameleon: The next offensive domination card will appear to come from the user of your choosing
Funny. Probably wouldn’t get used very often since it will take 12 scoops to hit the person and if they have an active Shield they wouldn’t see who hit anyway.
Again, maybe this would only be applied if there is no shield.. or maybe it could bypbum a shield..? Still thinking…
scullyangel Posted:
– Your Name is Enigo Montoya: After this card is used, the next card used is redirected to target player (in any bracket – again may be over-powered )
This is such a cool idea in theory, but horrible in practice. It would open to more alt abuse than anything this game has seen. Even if you eliminate Modests and bumholes, still just way too strong. I could unklan and use all my alts to target the players in the bracket I actually wanted to medal in. Not a good plan.
Damn alts.. FINE!
scullyangel Posted:
– Feminine Caller: Allows a user to disarm a shield equipped (for the next attack only – if there’s no shield equipped, the card does nothing)
Interesting, but probably too expensive given the current environment. Way too powerful if the The Fibonacci Sequence or target number medals are introduced.
How so?
scullyangel Posted:
– Card Shark: Discards up to X cards from another character and replaces them with an equal number of random cards (X = 5)
Chaos is awesome, but this might push everyone into deciding that using cards as a strategy is pointless.
Maybe it’s too strong.. maybe 2 cards?
scullyangel Posted:
– Counter Strike: The next character that uses an offensive card against you loses X scoops (X = 2)
Costs too much unless it also acts as a Shield.
Yeah maybe..
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10/08/2008 |
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scullyangel Posted:
The individual Fav Flava option would be an easy instant fix for the low medal count, and it would be pretty difficult to pull multiple Fav Flavas. I like this idea. Not a fan of the punching bag one.
Overall, we used to have a total possibility of 15 winners (20 medals) per bracket each week. We are now sitting on 3 winners (4 medals.) Looking at it head on it seems like a good idea, but in practice it isn’t. It’s been interesting, but has to be crazily discouraging for the newbie brackets where only 3 out of 60+ players have a shot. If alts of experienced players get tossed into the mix it could easily take months for a player who is trying to get a single medal. Honestly, that is going to make people quit playing. In the upper brackets it’s become a sort of punishment for playing aggressively. Knowing they were very unlikely to pick up a medal pushed a lot of players into a “why bother” mode where they are simply waiting until they fall far enough that they can easily grab 3 or 4 medals. Not competing shouldn’t be a viable strategy.
I’m going to use Ricket as an example because he’s hot and a good Domination player. Since the medal reduction Ricket has earned a total of 6 medals. 3 of them were pretty solidly klan vanilla medals, the other 3 he had to work his freaking bum off for. In this same time period several normally top bracket players have simply stopped bothering. It has steadily pushed them further and further down the bracket chain. Now if for some reason Ricket, who has never left the top bracket this season, gets shut out of medals these last two weeks, while the players who have slipped off into cakewalk brackets sweep next week? The inactive players will be able to grab 8 medals simply because they didn’t bother doing anything during the past 11 weeks. It will actually have been a better strategy to not play than to play.
Obviously not medaling week after week needs to push a player down the brackets, it would be horrible for a new player to be forever stuck in the top bracket because they had one good week. That mechanic is completely necessary. Well, the only thing that can shift the penalty for playing is to either increase the number of available medals or reintroduce ties on some level.
If I could choose?
– I would like to see a situation where there are 9 – 12 possible medal winners per week in each bracket, with certain medals absolutely not working together to prevent a player from “sweeping” their bracket.
– Add the proposed medal options for – Most Scoops Destroyed, Total scoops ends on a target number, The Fibonacci Sequence, Highest total without any cards. This brings us to 7 unique medals.
– Add the additional Fav Flavas or allow 2 or 3 player ties for the Target Number and Fibonacci.
– All medals are equal – in other words eliminate the double medal for mins. (I know this was initially a reward for being able to earn scoops in all areas of the game, but it is now a reward for having a couple of Switcharoos.)
– Eliminate the end of season double medal week for future seasons. It’s cool, but it is also tossing a lot of bonus medals to players who haven’t bothered to play.
Agreed on most of these points. I think that 10-12 medals per bracket is a good number to aim for. And making people discouraged and quit.. or not participate for X weeks in order to get more scoops is very bad. Ideally I’d like the medals to spread in such a way that it would be impossible (or virtually impossible) to get all of them in one week.
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10/08/2008 |
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Orb Posted:
I really like the idea of clbum-specific medals- things that you can get a medal for, but only if you are of the specific clbum. I think the Hacker medal conditions should be expanded to include various other series of numbers, each of which would have a certain value… like Poker hands. Whichever Hacker in the bracket gets the most valuable sequence gets the medal. (I doubt many people would be able to set this up in the same bracket, but if they do, that would be a way to determine who gets the win). Along with the Fibonacci Sequence, we should also include Series of Sequentially Increasing Prime Numbers, Sequences of Pi Digits, Sequence of Golden Ratio Digits, and at the most valuable, the Nerd Number Royal Flush… any sequence of a pre-determined series of nerd related numbers (including 8 from Discworld, 11 as half of THX1138, 19 from Dark Tower, 27 from Weird Al Yankovic inside jokes, 38 as the other half of THX1138, 42 from Hitchhiker, 52 from the DC Universe, etc). The pool of numbers wouldn’t have to be too big- we could probably dig up at least 10 numbers if necessary, but for it to count the numbers would have to be in order of increasing size from left to right.
Some good ideas in there.. I like the Pi digits one.. and I know someone else that would to (but I’m not naming names Log in to see images!) It would have to be some form of amalgamation.. take your A|C|L|P|V totals, append them together and get as much of the pattern as possible.. 3141592653. So 31|41|59|26|53 or 3|14|15|9|2 or 31|4|15|9|26 etc etc…
Orb Posted:
Most Scoops Destroyed shouldn’t be the troll goal to itself- it’s far too popular a category to be limited to one clbum.
I think we should leave the goals open to all clbumes regardless of what kind they.. we’re all a little troll-like at heart Log in to see images!
Orb Posted:
Actually, I kind of like the idea of Most Raids Disrupted as a troll goal to itself. Log in to see images!
Me too.. I’ll see what can be done.
Orb Posted:
Most Cards Bought (not necessarily most used, but with the 30-card hand limit you’d have to use a lot of cards anyway just to make space for more) would be a pretty good Camwhore goal.
I considered this, but wouldn’t the person with the most scoops typically be buying the most cards..? I’d like to avoid giving more medals to the person already winning the majority of the medals. By example it’s pretty easy to win fav flava and most scoops.
And that’s what I have to say about that.
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10/08/2008 |
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MC Banhammer Posted:
Now if you really want to have the season go out with a bang — move the end time, too. 8 hours forwards or back Log in to see images!
Do we like this idea? I could see if I could convince ET to change the timing too Log in to see images!
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10/08/2008 |
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quangntenemy Posted:
How are the top medals ranked? Based on season medals or total medals? I hope it’s season medals but atm the leaderboard only shows the total.
It would be based on season. It is our plan to have season based leaderboards… Most likely “total medals” and “current season” kinda thing. With the ability to look up older seasons if you choose (but this option would likely be somewhat burried). We’ll see. But yes, rankings are based on current season only.
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10/08/2008 |
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priscilla Posted:
I was going to ask about klan alts contributing. Is the invite-no-join trick required for an alt to contribute to forums pwned? If not, what determines which character gets the scoops? Thanks.
Anyone in the Raid will get scoops when the forum count hits 12. Currently klannies not in the raid can help towards that 12 forum count. But I doubt I’ll keep things that way. When we remove that “feature” I’ll likely let alts back into raid groups. Again, see the original post for more details about the proposed changes.
It’s not that we’re not considering these issues, it’s that we need to decide what will work best to make Klan Vanilla fair, for everyone.
Should there be a benefit to doing a klan raid? Yes, of course, since it takes a lot more work. Should you (as a solo player) be able to compete with someone who raids in a klan? Yes, but it should be tough. We do encourage Klan Raiding, but it shouldn’t be that you simply can’t compete if you do not raid.
So that’s where this thread comes in… proposing changes, getting opinions and trying some of the options out (either through week-long themes or otherwise).
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10/08/2008 |
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Please read the updated subject, and note the update from October 8th.
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10/08/2008 |
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Pizzahead Posted:
**** **** **** ****Log in to see images!
This is a troll free zone. Consider yourself warned. Provide constructive criticism, or no criticism.
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10/07/2008 |
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Pick your favourite theme and comment on likes and dislikes of the various themes that were featured in Season 2. We may use this information to decide what themes come back in Season 3, what elements from these themes are permanently building into Domination, etc.
Find out more info before you vote
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