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Gay The latest in CA - the Prop 8 debacle

twas

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Generic Racist Posted:

Civil rights are rights IMPOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT. NOT AN INHERITANCE RIGHT. So if gays want marriage rights the government has to give it to them. Since we are self governing we must vote on the issue.

I agree with most of this. And nothing is going to be settled until there is government intervention.

twas

Avatar: 40896 2011-11-01 00:47:59 -0400
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Shii Posted:

Apparently NO ONE reads entire posts.

Did you completely miss the part where I bluntly said that I have no support for pedophiles and that I am only playing the Devil’s Advocate?

Seriously, I’m starting to really get ****ed off at the choosiness of what you guys reply too.

But in all fairness Shii, that is what you are implying with your word choice of “lifestyle”.

It’s just a sexuality difference like being gay is

And this line too.

twas edited this message on 06/03/2009 1:21AM

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Shii Posted:

Apparently NO ONE reads entire posts.

Did you completely miss the part where I bluntly said that I have no support for pedophiles and that I am only playing the Devil’s Advocate?

Seriously, I’m starting to really get ****ed off at the choosiness of what you guys reply too.

I didn’t say you were advocating that pedophilia become anything other than what it is. What you *did* say is that homosexuality should be considered in the same vein as pedophilia. Maybe I’m mis-reading that part and I’m *begging* for you to explain how I’m mis-reading it because I’d like to think you’re a little more reasonable than that.

Shii

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spacekadt Posted:

I didn’t say you were advocating that pedophilia become anything other than what it is. What you *did* say is that homosexuality should be considered in the same vein as pedophilia. Maybe I’m mis-reading that part and I’m *begging* for you to explain how I’m mis-reading it because I’d like to think you’re a little more reasonable than that.

The only difference between fetishes of any nature is 100% societal convention. Being gay was just as bad 50 years ago as pedophilia, and was even called a mental illness. I’m not saying that’s right, and I’m aware that gays don’t indulge in abuse every time they indulge their sexuality.

However, as a deviant myself, it’s quite plain to me that the only difference between what someone gets off on and someone else is what the majority of society judges it to be.

That’s what I mean. As far as the consequences of indulgement, the person who gets off to enjoy and pedophilia creates a lot more suffering than someone who likes sounding or coprophilia. For those reasons, they should be punished. However, mentally, they’re the exact same thing.

twas

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Shii Posted:

The only difference between fetishes of any nature is 100% societal convention. Being gay was just as bad 50 years ago as pedophilia, and was even called a mental illness. I’m not saying that’s right, and I’m aware that gays don’t indulge in abuse every time they indulge their sexuality.

However, as a deviant myself, it’s quite plain to me that the only difference between what someone gets off on and someone else is what the majority of society judges it to be.

That’s what I mean. As far as the consequences of indulgement, the person who gets off to enjoy and pedophilia creates a lot more suffering than someone who likes sounding or coprophilia. For those reasons, they should be punished. However, mentally, they’re the exact same thing.

One could consider heterosexuality the same way.

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if we’re the same gender, this is fetishistic? wat.

Shii

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was Posted:

One could consider heterosexuality the same way.

I would venture to disagree, not merely on a religious standpoint. By nature most people are going to be geared to reproduce instinctually. Survival of a species demands it. Typically fetishes are something that creates sexual pleasure that has nothing to do with creating offspring.

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spacekadt Posted:

So hetero couples that have no desire/ability to produce children shouldn’t be able to get married?

Why should a hetero person be able to act as next of kin, but not a gay person? Look up marriage, it has nothing to do with children and everything to do with legal rights and responsibilities.

The reason marriage is recognized by the government is they have vested interests in the marriage. Children are the future of the nation and government, so yes marriage has something to do with children AMONG OTHER THINGS. As I’ve said before, marriage is not a right. No where in the bill of rights does it say marriage is a right. Civil rights are rights IMPOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT. NOT AN INHERITANCE RIGHT. So if gays want marriage rights the government has to give it to them. Since we are supposedly self governing we should vote on the issue. If the amendment is unconstitutional then the courts will overturn it. Either way what is right will be done.

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Shii Posted:

I would venture to disagree, not merely on a religious standpoint. By nature most people are going to be geared to reproduce instinctually. Survival of a species demands it. Typically fetishes are something that creates sexual pleasure that has nothing to do with creating offspring.

so let’s go back to the days where the only acceptable position was missionary and cunnilingus and fellatio were explicitly forbidden.

what if a gay couple wants to adopt a child? now they’re together with the purpose of raising children and furthering the human race. can they get married now?

Shii

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spacekadt Posted:

so let’s go back to the days where the only acceptable position was missionary and cunnilingus and fellatio were explicitly forbidden.

what if a gay couple wants to adopt a child? now they’re together with the purpose of raising children and furthering the human race. can they get married now?

I’m not saying we should go back to the days where all of that was forbidden. I’d like a little more acceptance of my deviance too; it really sucks when you don’t fit in with anyone.

As far as gays adopting, I have some cognitive dissonance going on. On the one side, I think that it would be very discriminatory and unfair to not let them adopt. On the other side, from a religious point of view, I’d be afraid that they would coach the kids into a lifestyle I don’t personally accept.

I’m aware of my bias and I don’t think I can make a valid conclusion on this issue; as such I will abstain from giving a verdict.

twas

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Shii Posted:

I would venture to disagree, not merely on a religious standpoint. By nature most people are going to be geared to reproduce instinctually. Survival of a species demands it. Typically fetishes are something that creates sexual pleasure that has nothing to do with creating offspring.

But isn’t that just mentally dictated physical urges? And what about masturbation? Most people are attracted to others because of chemical and mental connections. Sex is used to form a emotional and/or physical bond. If we were mostly instinctually beckoned to reproduce then wouldn’t sex mainly only happen at times of ovulation?

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was Posted:

But isn’t that just mentally dictated physical urges? And what about masturbation? Most people are attracted to others because of chemical and mental connections. Sex is used to form a emotional and/or physical bond. If we were mostly instinctually beckoned to reproduce then wouldn’t sex mainly only happen at times of ovulation?

Technically yes, it’s the same in terms of mentally dictated physical urges. But on a level of practicality, heterosexuality serves to propagate the species, whereas fetishes don’t. I’m not saying this puts heteros on some higher “moral” plain, just saying that it’s a substantial enough difference to not be labeled similarly.

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Shii Posted:

I’m not saying we should go back to the days where all of that was forbidden. I’d like a little more acceptance of my deviance too; it really sucks when you don’t fit in with anyone.

As far as gays adopting, I have some cognitive dissonance going on. On the one side, I think that it would be very discriminatory and unfair to not let them adopt. On the other side, from a religious point of view, I’d be afraid that they would coach the kids into a lifestyle I don’t personally accept.

I’m aware of my bias and I don’t think I can make a valid conclusion on this issue; as such I will abstain from giving a verdict.

Isn’t that the real disagreement? The other side doesn’t consider homosexuality a lifestyle. This will never come to a conclusion with this barring the way.

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Shii Posted:

Technically yes, it’s the same in terms of mentally dictated physical urges. But on a level of practicality, heterosexuality serves to propagate the species, whereas fetishes don’t. I’m not saying this puts heteros on some higher “moral” plain, just saying that it’s a substantial enough difference to not be labeled similarly.

If you can consider heterosexuality as nature’s way of propagating the species, couldn’t you consider homosexuality as nature’s way of population control?

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was Posted:

If you can consider heterosexuality as nature’s way of propagating the species, couldn’t you consider homosexuality as nature’s way of population control?

And furries are what, nature’s practical joke?

plk

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I had no idea that the planet was in danger of running out of people and that we still needed to think in terms of propagating the species. In that case, give infertile couples civil unions, too. Or those people who get married past the age of having children. Not to mention all those hetero couples who don’t want to have children.

But really, “the species” can be (and is) propagated through gay couples via IVF and surrogacy. There are a lot of ways to conceive a kid.

Shii

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plk Posted:

I had no idea that the planet was in danger of running out of people and that we still needed to think in terms of propagating the species. In that case, give infertile couples civil unions, too. Or those people who get married past the age of having children. Not to mention all those hetero couples who don’t want to have children.

But really, “the species” can be (and is) propagated through gay couples via IVF and surrogacy. There are a lot of ways to conceive a kid.

*sighs* I KNEW someone was going to bring this up. If you’d read the posts, plk, you’d know we aren’t talking about describing marriages in terms of who is able to have children or not. We’re merely discussing what constitutes a fetish.

plk

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Shii Posted:

*sighs* I KNEW someone was going to bring this up. If you’d read the posts, plk, you’d know we aren’t talking about describing marriages in terms of who is able to have children or not. We’re merely discussing what constitutes a fetish.

I’m reading your posts and I think I get to respond to whatever part of them currently offends me the most. I thought the “fetish” notion had been adequately addressed, but in case it hasn’t? Homosexuality is not a fetish. I feel very sorry for you that you believe that it is.

plk edited this message on 06/03/2009 2:17AM

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plk Posted:

I’m reading your posts and I think I get to respond to whatever part of them currently offends me the most. I thought the “fetish” notion had been adequately addressed, but in case it hasn’t? Homosexuality is not a fetish. I feel very sorry for you that you believe that it is.

How is it that attraction to another gender isn’t a fetish but attraction to children or animals or even people in fursuits for that matter is?

Does that mean that everything listed above is a sexual orientation and deserves equal rights as well? I’m sorry but I’m not giving a bestialist the right to marry an animal, nor a pedo the right to marry a child. All of the above are perversions of the normal, natural working order of nature, and as such, are all fetishes.

If it doesn’t make babies, it’s a fetish. Liking feet doesn’t make babies; it’s a fetish. Liking fursuits doesn’t make babies; it’s a fetish. Non-reproductory sexual objects/behaviors = fetishes, and homosexuality is lumped in there. Sorry to be blunt, but this is getting ridiculous.

EDIT: Extend it to other “genders.” Liking hermaphrodites is considered a fetish porn, and they’re not lobbying for equal rights, or balking at the term “fetish.”

Shii edited this message on 06/03/2009 2:26AM

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Shii Posted:

*sighs* I KNEW someone was going to bring this up. If you’d read the posts, plk, you’d know we aren’t talking about describing marriages in terms of who is able to have children or not. We’re merely discussing what constitutes a fetish.

You’ve brought it up and GR continues to. I think it’s a fair discussion point here… especially because she didn’t address it to you specifically or on a quote about something entirely different.

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