“God, protect me from your followers.” Well, needless to say, it doesn’t work, thereby providing concrete proof that God doesn’t exist and that prayer doesn’t work.(sarcasm) And those who have squeaked through the supernatural protective net have expressed psychosis, which proves that religion creates it.

Some of the nutty messages received include the following. These comments are so generic and typical that they apply to basically any blind believer, with the emphasis on blind.

• “Your time will come!” This remark could be taken two ways: The friendly interpretation is that someone is wishing me luck. The hateful interpretation is that I am being condemned to judgment by a monstrous god person.

• “Eternity is a long time to be wrong!” All freethinkers have heard this retort, which is a more refined version of “You’re going to hell!” This comment is psychotic, in that these blind believers believe there is a “loving” and “forgiving” god person who will hideously punish anyone who dares to question “his” existence. Obviously, we reject such an ugly concept, so this threat doesn’t scare us. Also, what if YOU’RE wrong? You have condemned millions of people to hell in your thoughts and words, not to mention that, if you’re a Christian, you believe the Jews are guilty of killing God! These are pretty heinous accusations, so you had better be sure that you’re not wrong. Blind belief is not a win-win situation. Indeed, it is intellectually dishonest and harmful.

• “When you die, you will meet your Maker and fall down on your knees before Jesus and ask His forgiveness.” Ditto with the above. Why would the “omnipotent” Jesus and “His Father” be so threatened by our unbelief? Did “He/They” not provide us with intelligence? Yet, “He” wishes us to spit on “His” gift and not use it

• “Have you read the Bible cover to cover?” Actually, I have, and the hypocrite who asks such a question obviously hasn’t, because the Bible is full of dreadful stories about genocide, murder, adultery, incest, deceit, greed, arrogance, megalomania, sexual perversion, and all sorts of despicable behavior. On second thought, perhaps the people who ask such a question HAVE read the Bible, as we are sure it creates dementia.

• “I’ll pray for you!” This comment sounds like an alien language to freethinkers. It comes out something like this: “BZZZPPFFFFTTT.” When interpreted, it becomes clear that the person who is making such a comment feels quite smug and superior in that he/she has chosen the RIGHT god, compared to whatever it is you do with your consciousness, such that he/she now has a direct pipeline, whereas you do not, and he/she will put in a good word for you, you lowlife sgreat times. Since the concept of “God” is completely arbitrary, we could respond that we will pray to the Cosmic Mickey Mouse that our well-wishers become intelligent. Naturally, we are not talking about loved ones who make this heartfelt prayer comment in times of true trauma. We are addressing the condescending offer presented by missionaries and proselytizing fanatics who have never even met us but who feel they know we are sinners who need prayer to their “Father in heaven.” Theirs is a rather unctuous and smarmy mentality.

Now, just in case you think I’m being a bit harsh in pronouncing these statements and sentiments psychotic, I offer up the following message about my blog—you decide. Do you truly want to live in a world dominated by this kind of mentality?

“Alas, your vile vulgarness comes out. It’s obvious you and your mind belong to Satan. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. You are a very sad excuse of a human being. You babble about things you know nothing about. Jesus died for all of us, .... Whether or not you like it, or admit it, you were created by God, you will be judged by God, and you will be punished by God. You can play all the games you want to until that day of judgment, but it’s coming.”

To these loving, advanced concepts, I respond, “You and your mind obviously belong to Ahriman the Devil! Ahura-Mazda the Almighty will judge and punish you! My Persian boogeyman is bigger than your Judeo-Christian one! You barbarian with a bone in your nose! Ooga-booga!” Then I follow this with much saber-rattling, teeth-baring and chest-beating.

All of these comments reflect that the believer is angry, volatile, primitive, arrogant, mentally unbalanced and does not display critical thinking. Let us now spell it out:

You are not displaying critical thinking, not using your mind. You are also uneducated as to the world’s cultures and history. It is not a sign of great intelligence to blindly believe what someone else has told you is true, especially when such beliefs basically condemn hundreds of millions of other people. Many of these blind believers are simply not very bright, yet they bumume that their belief equalizes them with those who are smarter. “Jesus loves you just the way you are!” is the hypocritical hue and cry of those who feel inferior but who will not recognize it and admit it. Yet, according to these same cheerleaders, Jesus DOESN’T love you just the way you are—you must thoroughly change, surrendering your mind and soul to him. A bit of a psychotic extortion racket.

The bottom line is that those who dare to question and challenge cherished beliefs which are not rational and reasonable, and who live relatively righteous lives without such irrational and intolerant beliefs, should be recognized as being the epitome of what any god person would wish in “his children.” They are utilizing all of the gifts that such a god person would provide, were “he” real. And if they have utilized these “God-given” gifts, they know that the interpretation of “God” is a cultural artifact, not an absolute truth that must be defended and beaten into other people. In using these gifts, they will discover that over the millennia, hundreds of millions of people have held differing opinions as to the Infinite, which is only common sense, since it is, after all, Infinite.

Some people falsely believe that it is impossible to prove the unexistence of anything, but they are wrong. It can, for example, be proved that there is no even prime number greater than two. Other people use to say that there is no way to prove if there is a god or not, or even that we cannot get any knowledge of god (agnosticism).

Many people justify their faith with god as an explanation. What is the meaning of life? Where does time and space come from? Who created the physical constants? et cetera. Because we lack knowledge of these things – and maybe never will, since they are questions like “what is the color of a second?” or “how does sound taste?” – god is there as an explanation.

If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:

Ø He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos.

Ø He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.

Ø He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can’t do, he certainly is not omnipotent.

Ø He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.

Ø He cannot be ‘good’ or ‘evil’ or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can’t choose to do evil things, can he?

Ø We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:

If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can’t be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?

There is a test, based on the ontological evidence against god, that you can do to try the existence of god. Pray, and ask god to provide you with a clear proof for his existence within a week. After that week, if you have got a proof that god exists, send me the evidence. If not, there are only three reasons I can think of that are plausible: (1) God does not exist, (2) God does not want to or (3) God can’t give you this evidence. Because of the ontological evidence, alternative (2) and (3) are not worth your worship and thus they equal alternative (1). So if you get no response there is no god.

The meaning of the word existence

What do we mean by existence? The very definition for existence is that a thing is said to exist if it relates in some way to some other thing. That is, things exist in relation to each other. For us, that means that something is part of our system (‘The known world’Log in to see images!. God is defined to be infinite, in which case it is not possible for there to be anything other than god because “infinite” is all-inclusive. But if there is nothing other than god then either god cannot be said to exist for the reason just explained, or god is the known world, in which case, by definition, god is not a god.

Occam’s razor was formulated by William of Occam (1285-1349) and says: “Non est ponenda pluralites sive necessitate” or in english: “Do not multiply entities unless necessarily”. It is a principle for scientific labour which means that one should use a simple explanation with a few explanatory premises before a more complex one.

Let’s say that everything must be created, and that was done by an omnipotent god. A god which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in it self has it’s own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has it’s own meaning. Most theists agree that god has a nature. Then we must raise the question, who created god’s nature? If we just accept that god has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?

God is not really an explanation, only a non-explanation. It is impossible to gain information from non-information so God as an explanation is a dead end. When we have said that the reason for something is that ‘god did it that way’ there is no way to understand it any further. We just shrug our shoulders and accept things as they are. To explain the unknown by god is only to explain how it happened, not why. If we are to investigate the world and build our views of life from the world, we cannot bumume a god. Because adding god as an explanation leaves as many, if not more questions than it explains, god has to be removed with Occam’s razor if we are serious in investigating the world.

Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the “future” (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god’s actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time.

Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn’t know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn’t be omnipotent.

If somebody would pray to god and god would listen, seeing as he knows Future from above statement of defining omnipotent, the laws would change to achieve the desired result. Thus the world would be different and the prayer would never have been said. Besides god would already (in an “above time” sense of view) know that you would pray, and already have changed the world. Prayers would be totally meaningless. We would already live in the best world possible, and any prayer would be to doubt the wisdom of god.

Even worse: For every prayer said, god has not acted, or else the prayer had been undone. This means that the more people have prayed, the more bad things in the world have persisted. Therefore, the more you pray, the more evil persist (provided god exists and stands above time).

A much better way to change the world is to do it yourself. Then you would know that it was you who made the world better. The effect of prayers are not scientific provable, whilst the effect of actions are. Instead of praying you should set to work at improving your situation. This is what humanism is about.

My thesis is that people who claim to believe in god do not really do so. They just wish to believe in god. They somehow feel that their lives are meaningless without god, so they choose to close their eyes to evidence against the existence of god

When many religious people are confronted with criticism of their religion they convert to atheism or agnosticism. Examples of people who became critical to the dogmas of christianity are Charles Darwin, Dan Barker, Ernest Renan plus many former “Catholic modernists” in the 19th century such as Alfred Loisy and Antonio Fogazzaro. The Catholic modernism evolved in the late 19th century and was banned in 1907 by the Vatican. These people are to me clear evidence that an enlightened person will after considering the facts, reject christianity and other religions that contain deities.

Note: This is not the “Plead to authority” fallacy. I’m talking people here, who were trying to prove the existence of god and turned atheists. They did not want to do this, but had to after reading a lot of books and doing a lot of thinking on the subject.

If god is so mysterious, how can we know anything about him? Through the Bible? How do we know that the Bible and not the Koran or the Vedha books, for example, are the words of god? And if you claim there is one god, and all of these religions are based on him, then why do the books contradict? They either aren’t from the same god, or miswritten by man, if the latter is the case, why you putting your faith in something so serious, that has been “ad libbed” by mankind?. Considering the cruelties that have been made in the name of god, how do we know that not all religions are made by Satan?

If there is no way to know this but to trust people who claim they have had “divine experiences” there is no way to tell true from false prophets. One has to give up his free mind and follow the authority of a dictator. Remember also that it is the person making a positive claim who has to prove it.

I’m an atheist. I’m not American. A brain-dead Jew religion form way back that was hijacked by useless wops.

PROOF THAT THERE IS NO GOD:

EVERYTHING THAT TASTES GOOD/IS FUN TO DO IS BAD FOR YOU. IF THERE WAS A BENEVOLENT GOD, CHOCOLATE WOULD BE THE ONLY FOOD WE WOULD NEED, AND HEROIN WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU.

Paraone Posted:

why do you say that

because it illicits a response.

Paraone Posted:

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nanafabulous personjesus Posted:

Oh, real mature. I’ve always said atheists are just people too stupid to comprehend God.

that’s because you’re a flaming egg-roll, so i’d expect nothing less.

lolz im down wit crist. i liek that teh church ferbids gay sex n butsex n bjs. i mean, wats teh point of sex if u dont feel filthy afterwerds? plus i get off on telling teh preest about my sins LOLZ.

Paraone Posted:

why do you say that

because it illicits a response.

Paraone Posted:

why do you say that

because it illicits a response.