DarkDespair5 Posted:

Justice = punishment. Mercy = forgiveness. They are mutually exclusive.

Also, that’s not right. What about people who live in a setting that prevents them from learning anything about God? What about people who suffer mental psychosis?

The Bible is a bit iffy on it, to be honest. From what I understand, it says that people unaware or prevented from knowing will be dealt with less severely.

Honestly, we have to just have faith that the divine ruler will be able to be fair, and place them where they belong. At the same time, it raises the urgency for us to bring the Word to all people, as well.

Shii Posted:

The Bible is a bit iffy on it, to be honest. From what I understand, it says that people unaware or prevented from knowing will be dealt with less severely.

Honestly, we have to just have faith that the divine ruler will be able to be fair, and place them where they belong. At the same time, it raises the urgency for us to bring the Word to all people, as well.

If they were sent to heaven, it wouldn’t be “fair” as they did not accept God. If they were sent to hell, it wouldn’t be “fair” because they have done nothing wrong and *cannot* accept God.

Catch 22.

Shii Posted:

I asked you one. Log in to see images!

And that wasn’t even a very tough one.

Here, answer me this:

According to the Law of Conservation of Mbum, matter cannot be created or destroyed.

According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, perpetual motion is impossible. Infinite systems eventually shut down and cease to react.

Therefore, according to science, matter cannot have existed infinitely, but also cannot have been created.

So the universe has not/will not run forever. Big deal.

Shii Posted:

Also, if all matter prior to the Big bang was collected within a singularity at the center of the universe, what possibly could have caused it to explode?

The gravity would be so crushing that nothing would ever escape, since even a black hole lets not even light out, so clearly an explosion is out of the question.

Furthermore, it could not have been an outside force in physical space, since all energy and matter was in the singularity.

According to science, the Big Bang is impossible.

I’m not a quantum physicist.

But these guys are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

We do not know exactly how the universe began. This is a large crucial question.

BUT we are farther along than a made up story about a magical man who singlehandedly created the universe.

I just personally fail to see how science, a system based completely on testing of something multiple times to ensure probable outcome, can even remotely comprehend anything involving the beginning of everything, especially when it doesn’t follow the very laws science claims.

I also fail to see how faith that a man-made system of rules will explain everything eventually is different from faith in a religion. The only difference is mine isn’t limited by physical reality.

My uncle is a physicist, and if I had the time (it’s 2 am and I have clbum in the morning) I would get into how quantum physics also lends credence to the existence of some outside observer in the universe as well.

It deals with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and the property expressed by Schrodingers’ cat in that an observer must be present for any physical reality to exist, else every possible outcome happen simultaneously.

But unless you’re already familiar with the concept, it takes too much time to explain.

Don’t write me off ;-) I’ve done a lot of research and reading in a lot of different fields looking for contradictions/support of Christianity. I don’t believe things lightly.

Anyway, I had a good time tonight; get the old brain muscle working. I hope that you feel a bit more knowledge about Christianity, even if you don’t believe it. People should always know what they’re turning down.

See you later.

EDIT: Knowledgeable* >->

^-^

I somewhat agree. Belief in an all-powerful deity strips a human of her/his dignity and self-worth. Paraphrasing someone random:

”I’d rather be a baron in hell than a servant in heaven”

I would not like to relinquish my life to some superior authority. That’s not how I roll. Cooperation, but not submission. My moral compbum is calibrated by my own observation and experience, not by some dictum literally cast in stone. There is nothing more degrading than living life as a puppet for an invisible and intangible entity.

Choosing to follow a god is still following. It’s living as a slave to an idea.

OverclockedJesus Posted:

should refrain from speaking about that which you know naught. Just a helpful suggestion.

I was pointing out to him that we can’t really discuss it in great depth when we both don’t not know the full mathematics behind the theory. Which are extremely complicated.

Also, you need to appear more on non-SRS discussions.