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God is fake. Gods are fake.
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Here is an impermeable box full of marbles: X How do you alter its contents without alerting insiders? BY DEFINITION, to affect this box, he MUST obey the rules of matter, of physics, which makes it impossible without alerting insiders! To be able to affect our world, you must abide by its rules!
P.S You are the one who called me dumb. You are the one who dismissed my argument. DarkDespair5 edited this message on 12/06/2008 10:02PM |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:01PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
u said 1. god creates rules for everything else to follow 2. god has its own rules
how do these different rules coexist without problems? |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:02PM |
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DarkDespair5 Posted:
debug mode |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:03PM |
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Debug Mode would alert observers. We have the notion of time.
Also: Thx inertia for not being a douchebag DarkDespair5 edited this message on 12/06/2008 10:05PM |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:04PM |
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generichaxor Posted:
doesn’t that kind of contradict the idea of an omnipotent god? |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:05PM |
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DarkDespair5 Posted:
if time stopped would you know? |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:06PM |
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DarkDespair5 Posted:
There is no way to alter the contents of the box without alerting the insiders. For changes of the box to occur, they must be recognized by someone or something besides the one that put them there. Thus, changes haven’t really occurred until the insiders notice the changes. Thus, changes can’t be made without the insiders noticing. |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:06PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
ur the one that said it originally, dont call me out on that or u will be contradicting ur own ideas
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:08PM |
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here’s a fact everyone itt except me and bop and tes is a bad poster. |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:08PM |
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generichaxor Posted:
uhhhhh how does that contradict anything i said? saying god operates outside the laws of the universe does not mean god has laws |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:08PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted: Yes. We would. How could he change things without us noticing after time restarted? What arcane art is he using to modify our world while being exempt from its rules? How could he access the contents of our universe while modifying it in-place? |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:10PM |
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DarkDespair5 Posted:
you never explained where you get this idea from that you need to operate within the laws of a system to interact with it. |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:12PM |
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a developer of a computer simulation does not have to operate within the laws of his simulation to change things in it. |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:13PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
if this god operates outside of the laws he creates for us then what laws does he abide by?
if he had nothing to abide by, why r we getting screwed over by our politicians and their bad decisions?
if God existed, then he would stop that from happening |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:13PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
but the things in the computer simulation are not real life, sentient beings
in the previous case, god must change the world, but must do so without us noticing which is impossible |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:14PM |
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generichaxor Posted:
your argument has fallen back to ‘if god exists why do bad things happen’
great job |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:15PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
if u do not operate within the laws of the system, how can u know about things that must operate with those laws?
ie how can god control our world if he isn’t among us? |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:16PM |
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generichaxor Posted:
impossible according to our rules
lol
itt – god does the impossible |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:16PM |
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BirdofPrey Posted:
Yes, but he operates within a set of rules that allow this interaction. Any intelligence within the device could tell whether it was manipulated. We are intelligent and autonomous, the computer simulation is not.
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:16PM |
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generichaxor Posted:
you aren’t even trying anymore |
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| Posted On: 12/06/2008 10:17PM |
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