EVECHARM Posted:

Acid Flux Posted:

The Wireless Headsets weren’t announced ahead of time

ET came in IDC, said he put one up, and linked it and had mcb put a link in flamebate, and it was a 72 hour auction. that’s pretty much warned, and it’s not like headsets were available all the time before hand.

So, 72 Hours to get ready for the most expensive item that the game had ever seen? That sure is unfair to the players that had only started recently, isn’t it? How were they supposed to have a ‘fair chance’ at buying that item?

EVECHARM Posted:

Acid Flux Posted:

Hey, and while we’re at it, let’s reopen some of the E-Peens that aren’t currently available. We didn’t get any notice that they would have limited availability, right? That wasn’t very fair.

A blog post on twitter the day before and ET in IDC himself telling everyone that its started. That’s a hell of a lot more warning then something speculated 40 days ago.

Read what you just wrote. One day notice is more or better warning than 40 days notice? Ridiculous.

And it was stated, from the beginning, that items would eventually be removed from the Co-Op store and placed into the appropriate stores. There was no ambiguity about that. And since Special Items don’t have a specific store (other than maybe the Ppwn Shoppe), I made the bumumption that they would have limited availability, and I was right. All the other items (except for the moar files, which I haven’t started selling yet) have been placed into their appropriate clbum-specific stores.

EVECHARM Posted:

Acid Flux Posted:

If you missed the boat on this, sorry to hear that. But I refuse to be penalized simply because some people have regrets that they didn’t capitalize on a potential investment.

First it was accusations that the Mods had ‘insider information’. Now that that’s been shut down, now it’s ‘give everyone a second chance.’

Fine. If the Master Balls are put back into a Shop, then I want a 500,000 Flezz consolation award for each and every Master Ball I own. And I demand that I still retain possession of those Master Balls, to do with as I please. By giving away a free ‘second chance’, this is directly interfering with my choice of investments.

But that’s a ridiculous demand, isn’t it?

First of all how are you honestly being penalized? you may have bought them with a little hint of them going away, but that never stopped you from putting them on kyoubai and selling them for slightly higher with your frug. you wouldn’t be losing any money on how much they were worth. You just wouldn’t get a completely unfair advantage of a broken factor of the game due to ET changing something on a whim (2000% mark up on a master ball is pretty god damn broken)

Completely unfair? I’ve got a Master Ball selling right now with no minimum reserve Guess which one it is?

I’m not forcing anyone to buy the item, and neither is ET. It is not a required item, by any stretch of the imagination, it is purely a luxury item

As far as how I’m being penalized, I chose to take an investment risk based upon the public information, and I am now capitalizing on my successful prediction. I found an avenue for financial advancement, based upon my own research and my own chosen risk.

Nothing I did violated any rules in anyway, nor was it unfair to any other player. I made my choice, based on the information at hand, and it worked to my advantage.

Answer this, please: If the Dragon Balls had been reduced in base cost to fall in line with the Master Balls, and been devalued, would you be supporting a full refund for those that had extras on hand and had made a poor investment decision? What about all the people that sold the Junk Books in Episode One before it was announced that they would be valuable equipment in Episode Two? Would you support a petition to have them reintroduced as random junk deliveries? Or how about returning all the Junk Books they sold so they get a second chance?

EVECHARM Posted:

and like the pro said (or meeeeeee) this wasn’t available for everyone, not everyone had 30+ million to put out to hold on to master balls, only a very few amount of people have that money to just spend on holding a item.

So now it’s unfair because some players had more disposable income than others? I’m sorry, that’s a completley invalid argument. It is not anyone’s responsibility to ensure that another player has sufficient resources to take advantage of an opportunity when it presents itself.

EVECHARM Posted:

And as for getting 500k for each masterball, come up with a actual valid reason anyone should be given money, I don’t think you paid 800k for each masterball in the first place, and putting them back in the shop wouldn’t make your masterballs worth -200k.

I can come up with 1.8 million valid reasons. In the current state of the market, my investment is worth a LOT. If the market is changed, then by your logic, compensation for the value of the items should be considered. Whether the price for an item is set as a base cost in the shop or by the market demand, it is still a value to be considered. At the moment, the average value for the Master Ball is 1.8 Million. That’s not set by ET, that’s set by the Buyers in the Market.

Why should one market shift be compensated retroactively, and not the other?

If ET puts the Master Balls back on sale in the Co-Op, then he is giving a ‘credit value’ to those that chose not to buy them when they were first available. At the same time, he would be taking away the current value (as dictated by the current market) of my reserve of Master Balls.

Also, you have no idea what I paid for each Master Ball. For all you know, I bought out all of the Buy It Nows on Kyoubai as soon as I saw that they weren’t in the Co-Op anymore. Or I didn’t buy them at Max Frugality. You don’t know how many I have nor how much I paid for them, so you really aren’t in a position to discuss the original value of my investment.

EVECHARM Posted:

ET created a problem in the first place, He tried to fix it and created a bigger problem. Your only blind to it cause your trying to capitalize on it in a way that is completely and utterly blown out of proportion (2000% flezz increase) it needs to be fixed, in a better way.

I’m not setting the price increase. Evil Trout isn’t setting the price increase. The market is.

I’m simply offering the product, for sale, in the current market, with either a minimum reserve (usually 250,000) or in one case, absolutely NO RESERVE.

I am allowing the players to decide what the current value of that item is.

Additionally, I will remind you that I sold 50+ Master Balls at or below their cost to me when they were first introduced.

So, to recap:

1. There was a 40 day prior notice that items in the Co-Op Store were not permanently going to be in that store.

2. There was never any mention that any other ‘warning’ would be given about when the items would be ‘discontinued’.

3. The Master & Dragon Balls were Special Items, and (along with the moar files) are not normally seen in a ‘Regular Store’.

4. I (and other players) decided to take a risk and invest in these items. Those of us that had larger reserves of Flezz were able to invest more into this speculation, which is common sense.

5. We waited, hoping that we chose wisely. We knew that one possibility was that ET would never get around to taking them out of the Co-Op (thereby making our investment virtually pointless), or that he would revalue the Dragon Balls to be less than the Master Balls (thereby significantly devaluing half of the items we had purchased on speculation). In other words, we chose to take a financial risk.

6. The items were removed from the Co-Op, and now their value has increased, as demonstrated by the Buyers willingness to pay for these items.

I personally see absolutely no problem with this chain of events No deception, no insider information, nothing but simple speculation. And there are countless parallels in the real world to this situation.

You say that I’m ‘blinded’ to the situation because I’m trying to capitalize on it. I say that you’re ‘blinded’, because you cannot capitalize on the situation.

And that’s simply not my fault.