I already emailed binge but i want this out for discussion

scullyangel: BINGEBOT 2015: I’ve been doing everything humanly possible this week in an attempt to have

*any* solo player take one from a klan player. As long as they can skip using visits during a raid, the advantage

is likely going to be too big.

BINGEBOT 2015: but increasing the lemon reward.. perhaps for harder forums..

and increasing pistachio.. and perhaps upping solo vanilla (again)

are better answers

Orb: SG94: But… they’re already in a sinking ship. I *am* in a smaller klan that likes to raid sometimes,

but all the same I have to acknowledge that right now holding 12 forums is easy.

Fran: yeah… scully and amasius tried to help me medal this week

Fran: but meh, I did a solo run and got everything destroyed

BINGEBOT 2015: scullyangel: what bracket?

Orb: If the amount to hold was upped, it would make raiding tough again.

scullyangel: BINGEBOT 2015: Top bracket. I’ve interrupted all their raids – literally 2 hours of interference, but it really

doesn’t make any difference.

SG94: scullyangel: srsly? cool, next time call me ok?

scullyangel: BINGEBOT 2015: Raid ends with only 130 scoops instead of 200, but Pickled male reproductive organbum still has 12 visits

to use running solo vanilla.

BINGEBOT 2015: scullyangel: you tried to run interference and that was the result?

BINGEBOT 2015: Ideally if you are in a raid you have to pwn one of the forums to benefit

SG94: How about making a characters visit “raid visits” if a raid is entered

SG94: after the raid is done you have 0 visits

SG94: you better use them for the raid then

scullyangel: BINGEBOT 2015: Yup. Almost 60 visits worth of interruption, and believe me I know how – you have to hit with 6 at a time.

Almost all my visits cost them a scoop, but the impact is still minimal.

BINGEBOT 2015: scullyangel: hmm.. I hadn’t considered raid impact.. wonder if we could reward that type of behaviour

Fran: BINGEBOT 2015: medal for people who destroyed the most scoops

BINGEBOT 2015: BINGEBOT 2015: so if you disrupt a raid pwned forum you get a scoop

Orb: Devious.

Orb: I like it.

BINGEBOT 2015: Fran: That’s coming.. after Ep2.. but that helps klannies anyways..

cause they’ll have the most

Orb: That would be putting out a contract kill on all raids

Orb: And that’s awesome

BINGEBOT 2015: Orb: I’m ok with that

BINGEBOT 2015: Orb: scullyangel: ok I’m going to add that to the list.. cause I think if people are wasting scoops to do it,

they should be rewarded

BINGEBOT 2015: but.. keep in mind this means that people from the same klan (not in the raid) could potentially do it as well…

scullyangel: BINGEBOT 2015: That could be cool. As is there is no benefit to interrupting.

If you want to be effective, you have to completely sacrifice all the speed scoops,

while burning all your visits.

BINGEBOT 2015: so I might have to say it’s only for people not in the klan

BINGEBOT 2015: scullyangel: yeah

BINGEBOT 2015: ok hold.. need to make notes

BINGEBOT 2015: ok back..

BINGEBOT 2015: so the following is on the To Do list

BINGEBOT 2015: Raid size limit of 10

BINGEBOT 2015: Reward for non klannies that pwn a raid pwned forum

(Either earn Antifreeze, or Vanilla..??)

BINGEBOT 2015: If you are not part of a raid, you shouldn’t affect the raid 12 count of forums

BINGEBOT 2015: You have to pwn one of the raid forums in order to get a klan vanilla scoop

BINGEBOT 2015: You can only join/leave a klan once per day

BINGEBOT 2015: we like? Ok, so that’s what we’ll do.

BINGEBOT 2015: anything else?

SG94: I’d like visits set to zero after a raid

BINGEBOT 2015: SG94: As a continuation

BINGEBOT 2015: SG94: Anyone in a raid gets 0 visits afterwards?

BINGEBOT 2015: SG94: THat’s interesting

BINGEBOT 2015: probably easier to code

BINGEBOT 2015: I’m writting that down

10 per raid, and only being able to join the clan once per day seems fine to me, meaning it doesn’t drastically effect the ability of a small clan such as my own to raid.

however “If you are not part of a raid, you shouldn’t affect the raid 12 count of forums” combined with only 10 players per raid means that it has to be a small clan thing, but your scoop counts are severely limited. Additionally “You have to pwn one of the raid forums in order to get a klan vanilla scoop” means that anyone with an alt or two can keep you from getting any return from a raid, and they’ll get scoops for doing so. I know skully only cost us like 60 scoops from interfering, and feels she wasted a lot of time, but we were putting in time to counter her attack too. you guys think we just gather in a chat room and the scoops come pouring in?

additionally, here’s what I’d do with the intereferance scoops: when I plan to do my solos i’d have an alt start a faux clan and a raid, and pre-pwn the forums I plan to pwn. that way when i take their forums I get extra scoops. (or will it only be for dropping it from 12 to 11 forums? causing “natural turnover,” and essentially helping the raid?)

it seems to me the easiest thing to do is just remove klan vanilla all together, why convolve and complicate the process until it is less efficient than soloing? or does CZ still want to promote cooperative gameplay?

the math would mean you’d need 10 players with 12 visits just to get 109 scoops, and that’s with no interference. if they only had 8 turns, it’d be pointless. if you couldn’t get 8 people to participate it’d be pointless. and even with 8 you are only getting a handful more scoops than you get solo. now the same 12 turns will get you 72 scoops solo. but at a fraction of the time and effort, and with no cooperation. someone would have to be incredibly lucky to interfere (looking at you Dorian Blue)

I know some people want to make clan vanilla pointless. these changes will do that.

right now solo is incredibly buffed and clan slightly nerfed. the only thing that makes it look like my clan has the top bracket locked down is that EVERY SINGLE RAIDER is in the top bracket. when I tried raiding with alternates in other competitive brackets where they didn’t have the advantage of allies holding huge scoop counts, they ended up losing all their scoops. The way to make solo more competitive is to make it so no one clan dominates any bracket. (and so that alts can’t be in the same bracket)

a relatively simple change compared to the short list above.