Sux2BU Posted:

I understand your position entirely, but I’d like to try and keep this to an honest discussion for a while even if the initial motives were dishonest, because I think good arguments are being made.

Fair enough.

AlPHa-mCStaGGeR-053 Posted:

If I believe in a perfect god then he must be perfect. Anyways, if you choose to not believe in a god, then the non-existent god is not perfect, therefor cannot be the god I believe in. You cannot disprove my god because he is perfect, and the quality of nonexisting takes away from a perfect god. (Which as atheist you are claiming there is no god at all)

god that exists is perfect > god that doesn’t exist, therefore your nonexistent god doesn’t exist, but a perfect one with the quality of existing does.

This is thinly-veiled circular reasoning.

“My god exists. Therefore, if you do not believe a god exists, you’re really not believing in some other god.”

Now this theory doesn’t state the Christan, Jewish, or Indian god is create. In essence it could say any god is right, but it does state there is a god. It is rather silly in one way to be such a close minded individual and state that there isn’t a possible chance at all for there to be a god. Agnostic would be a much better choice.

It’s not necessarily closed-minded. When you set the extreme end of a spectrum, you can make anything seem moderate. What’s your position on the existence of space ninjas? Don’t say you don’t believe in them, that’s closed-minded.

In these discussions it’s essential to be willing to look at the question from more than one point of view. Not only through the eyes of someone you’re debating with, but from the perspectives of different disciplines.

Atheism:

Once there was nothing, then it exploded.(ummm…conservation of mbum?)

Agnostic:

Can’t tell you what exactly happen, won’t shut down that the universe is part of a master plan, its got some trippy stuff, but at the same time, can’t shut down that there is other logic behind it.

Christian:

God decided He had an idea, so went with it, now here we are.

Cute, but overly simplistic, and why only those three?

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The question I would ask is not whether you can prove God exists or does not exist, but rather…

What does your theism do for you?

OR

What does your atheism do for you?

On a larger scale…

What’s the point of actively converting people to your point of view?