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Samildanach

Avatar: 143751 Tue May 19 21:18:21 -0400 2009
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wally b Posted:

corralary-anyone else notice how edward looks like a child molester/rapist….stalker…...pedophile….rapist…..gay **** tard??? anyone??

You mean just because despite his apparent age he’s a much, much older man who gets utterly obsessed about an underage girl and watches her while she’s sleeping without her permission?

HOW COULD THAT BE AT ALL CREEPY?


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Karl Marx Posted:

Section II. Proletarians and Communists

In what relation do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole?

The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working-clbum parties.

They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole.

They do not set up any sectarian 1 principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.

The Communists are distinguished from the other working-clbum parties by this only:

1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality.

2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working clbum against the bourgeoisie has to pbum through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and 2 resolute section of the working-clbum parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mbum of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all the other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a clbum, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered by this or that would-be universal reformer.

They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing clbum struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes. The abolition of existing property relations is not at all a distinctive feature of Communism.

All property relations in the past have continually been subject to historical change consequent upon the change in historical conditions. 3

The French Revolution, for example, abolished feudal property in favour of bourgeois property.

The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on clbum antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few. 4

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may he summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of the petty artisan 5 and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

Or do you mean modern bourgeois private property?

But does wage-labour create any property for the labourer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage-labour, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage-labour for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage-labour. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism.

To be a capitalist is to have not only a purely personal, but a social status in production. Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion.

Capital is, therefore, not a personal, it is a social power.

When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed. It loses its clbum character.

Let us now take wage-labour.

The average price of wage-labour is the minimum wage, i.e., that quantum of the means of subsistence, which is absolutely requisite to keep the labourer in bare existence as a labourer. What, therefore, the wage-labourer appropriates by means of his labour, merely suffices to prolong and reproduce a bare existence. We by no means intend to abolish this personal appropriation of the products of labour, an appropriation that is made for the maintenance and reproduction of human life, and that leaves no surplus wherewith to command the labour of others. All that we want to do away with is the miserable character of this appropriation, under which the labourer lives merely to increase capital, and is allowed to live only in so far as the interest of the ruling clbum requires it.

In bourgeois society, living labour is but a means to increase acgreat timesulated labour. In Communist society, acgreat timesulated labour is but a means to widen, to enrich, to promote the existence of the labourer.

In bourgeois society, therefore, the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past. In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality.

And the abolition of this state of things is called by the bourgeois abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so. The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at.

By freedom is meant, under the present bourgeois conditions of production, free trade, free selling and buying.

But if selling and buying disappears, free selling and buying disappears also. This talk about free selling and buying, and all the other “brave words” of our bourgeoisie about freedom in general, have a meaning, if any, only in contrast with restricted selling and buying, with the fettered traders of the Middle Ages, but have no meaning when opposed to the Communistic abolition of buying and selling, of the bourgeois conditions of production, and of the bourgeoisie itself.

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few 6 is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. You reproach us, therefore, with intending to do away with a form of property, the necessary condition for whose existence is the non-existence of any property for the immense majority of society.

In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.

From the moment when labour can no longer be converted into capital, money, or rent, into a social power capable of being monopolised, i.e., from the moment when individual property can no longer be transformed into bourgeois property, into capital, 7 from that moment, you say, individuality vanishes.

You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-clbum owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible. 8

Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriation.

It has been objected that upon the abolition of private property all work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us.

According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness; for those of its members who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything, do not work. The whole of this objection is but another expression of the tautology: that there can no longer be any wage-labour when there is no longer any capital.

All objections urged against the Communistic mode of producing and appropriating material products, have, in the same way, been urged against the Communistic modes of producing and appropriating intellectual products. Just as, to the bourgeois, the disappearance of clbum property is the disappearance of production itself, so the disappearance of clbum culture 9 is to him identical with the disappearance of all culture.

That culture, the loss of which he laments, is, for the enormous majority, a mere training to act as a machine.

But don’t wrangle with us so long as you apply, to our intended 10 abolition of bourgeois property, the standard of your bourgeois notions of freedom, culture, law, &c. Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of the conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your clbum made into a law for all, a will, whose essential character and direction are determined by the economical conditions of existence of your clbum. 11

The selfish misconception that induces you to transform into eternal laws of nature and of reason, the social forms springing from your present mode of production and form of property – historical relations that rise and disappear in the progress of production – this misconception you share with every ruling clbum that has preceded you. 12 What you see clearly in the case of ancient property, what you admit in the case of feudal property, you are of course forbidden to admit in the case of your own bourgeois form of property.

Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you will say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the interventlon, direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling clbum.

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the whole bourgeoisie in chorus.

The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.

He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce community of women; it has existed almost from time immemorial.

Our bourgeois, not content with having the wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.

Bourgeois marriage is in reality a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with, is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.

The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading clbum of the nation, 13 must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.


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Karl Marx Posted:

National differences and antagonisms between peoples are daily more and more vanishing, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto.

The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat.

In proportion as the exploitation of one individual by another is put an end to, the exploitation of one nation by another will also be put an end to. In proportion as the antagonism between clbumes within the nation vanishes, the hostility of one nation to another will come to an end.

The charges against Communism made from a religious, a philosophical, and, generally, from an ideological standpoint, are not deserving of serious examination.

Does it require deep intuition to comprehend that man’s ideas, views and conceptions, in one word, man’s consciousness, changes with every change in the conditions of his material 14 existence, in his social relations and in his social life?

What else does the history of ideas prove, than that intellectual production changes its character in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling clbum.

When people speak of ideas that revolutionise society, they do but express the fact, that within the old society, the elements of a new one have been created, and that the dissolution of the old ideas keeps even pace with the dissolution of the old conditions of existence.

When the ancient world was in its last throes, the ancient religions were overcome by Christianity. When Christian ideas sucgreat timesbed in the 18th century to rationalist ideas, 15 feudal society fought its death battle with the then revolutionary bourgeoisie. The ideas of religious liberty and freedom of conscience merely gave expression to the sway of free competition within the domain of knowledge.

“Undoubtedly,” it will be said, “religious, moral, philosophical and juridical ideas 16 have been modified in the course of historical development. But religion, morality, philosophy, political science, and law, constantly survived this change.

“There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.”

What does this accusation reduce itself to? The history of all past society has consisted in the development of clbum antagonisms, antagonisms that bumumed different forms at different epochs.

But whatever form they may have taken, one fact is common to all past ages, viz., the exploitation of one part of society by the other. No wonder, then, that the social consciousness of past ages, despite all the multiplicity and variety it displays, moves within certain common forms, or general ideas, 17 which cannot completely vanish except with the total disappearance of clbum antagonisms.

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations; no wonder that its development involves the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.

But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism. We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working clbum is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling clbum, to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling clbum; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, 18 and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will of course be different in different countries. 19

Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable:

1. Abolition 20 of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 21

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport 22 in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. 23

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

When, in the course of development, clbum distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast bumociation of the whole nation, 24 the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one clbum for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of cirgreat timesstances, to organise itself as a clbum, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling clbum, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of clbum antagonisms and of clbumes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a clbum.

In place of the old bourgeois society, with its clbumes and clbum antagonisms, we shall have an bumociation, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

—-

Footnotes for Section II

Notes by the editor of the 1976 edition

1. The German editions have “separate” instead of “sectarian.”

2. The words “the most advanced and” were added in the English edition of 1888.

3. In the German editions this phrase reads “All property relations have been subject to constant historical replacement, constant historical change .”

4. The German editions have: “the exploitarion of the one by the others.”

5. The German editions have: “the property of the petty bourgois” .

6. The words “for the few” were added in the English edition of 1888.

7. The words “into capital” were added in the English edition of 1888.

8. The words “and made impossihle” were added in the English edition of I888.

9. The German editions have here and below “education” [“Bildung”] instead of “culture.”

10. The words “our intended” were inserted in the English edition of l888.

11. In the German editions the end of this sentence reads as follows: “a will, whose content is determined by the material conditions of existence of your clbum.”

12. In the German editions this sentence reads as follows: “This selfish conception…you share with all the ruling clbumes which have perished.”

13. The German editions of 1848 have “the national clbum” instead of “the leading clbum of the nation.”

14. The word “material” was added in the English edition of l888.

15. The German editions have “the ideas of enlightenment” instead of “rationalist ideas.”

16. In the German editions the beginning of the sentence reads: ” ‘Undoubtedly,’ it will he said, ‘religious, moral, philosophical, political, juridical ideas, etc.’ ”

17. The German editions have “in forms of consciousness” instead of “or general ideas.”

18. The words “necessitate further inroads upon the old social order” were added in the English edition of I888.

19. In the Preface to the 1872 German edition of the Communist Manifesto the authors particularly pointed out that “no special stress is laid” on the transitional revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II, and that the concrete character and practical application of such measures would always depend on the historical conditions of the time.

20. The German editions have here “expropriation.”

21. The German editions have: “A heavy progressive tax.”

22. The German editions have “all transport” instead of “the means of communication and transport.”

23. In the editions of 1848, point 9 reads: “Combination of agriculture with industry, promotion of the gradual elimination of the contradictions between town and countryside.” In subsequent German editions the word “contradictions” was replaced by “distinctions.”

24. The German editions have “bumociated individuals” instead of “a vast bumociation of the whole nation.”


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

Communism is the light


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

Communism is the light

this thread should die a slow painful death


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Communism is stupid.


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

Lord Shplane Posted:

I’m stupid.

fixed


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.


Joseph of Suburbia Posted:

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:)

Professor Commie PhD Posted:

I enjoy having car jumper cables shoved up my bum while the electricity runs.

Ok


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I value your contributions to the FWZ society, and respect your opinions, no matter how much they may vary from my own.

You ****ing fine upstanding member of society.

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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

Lord Shplane Posted:

Ok

haha if you really thought that was a good insult youre wrong and p stupid imo. fabulous person


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Professor Commie PhD Posted:

haha if you really thought that was a good insult youre wrong and p stupid imo. fabulous person

Seriously. Don’t you know that that’s Commie’s idea of a Friday night on the town?


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Professor Commie PhD Posted:

haha if you really thought that was a good insult youre wrong and p stupid imo. fabulous person

I was simply stating a fact. Like when I said that communism is stupid.


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

haha go get a battery acid enema imo


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Professor Commie PhD Posted:

haha go get a battery acid enema imo

Communism is an inherently flawed economic system. Human beings are physiologically incapable of working for the greater good. The human mind is hard-wired to only consider a very small group of individuals “human”, and thus worth sharing their work with. Communism is entirely incompatible with humanity on a physical level. It’s like trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole.


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Celerysteve is incredible... he is just so... so incredible.

All I heard was “I like to suck on donkey male reproductive organs”


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