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[CLOSED] I am a Creationist ask me a question | |||||||
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OverclockedJesus Posted:
African or European? |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 3:42AM | View drussthebritishb...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Why are both the concepts of Heaven and Hell terrifying?
Hell is eternal torture, etc, yet the concept of a perfect heaven requires the loss of free will, meaning that we ourselves as we are now never get to go to heaven, meaning, in theory, that if Heaven, God, etc. exist, then dying for a Christian is essentially giving up what makes one human, meaning death really is the end whatever way you look at it. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 3:46AM | View King Krimson's Profile | # | ||||||
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Muslims generally view Jesus and the Virgin Mary in a positive light. Why do they hate Christians so much? |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 4:33AM | male reproductive organFACEPANTS | # | ||||||
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Sorry. I went to bed. Here’s the link for irreducible complexity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
Also, how do you feel about Ken Miller? As a student of Apologetics, I think this video may interest you. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 4:57AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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mike oxlong Posted: The answer is that God can indeed create a burrito so hot that he could not eat it…at that moment in time. But God also has the ability to transcend himself instantly so that he could now eat the burrito. At this new level, God could then create another burrito which he could not eat at that level. He could then transcend himself again and eat the burrito, create a new one, etc.
King Krimson Posted:
Let me direct you my older thread http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/18567
Goatse II Posted: Wow where do I start. We kicked their bumes during the Crusades. We dis their prophet Muhammad all the time. We are good friends with Israel, their mortal enemy. Particularly the Dome of the Rock issue. The Bible also said some bad words about Arabs (descendants of Ishmael). Obviously they are bumhurt hahaha.
I missed a question earlier, I’ll address it now OverclockedJesus Posted: Cool you’re already internet debating back when I was still learning multiplication table… I’m rather scared to take you on but will try. We do have free will, and God is omniscient. So you’re saying that if God can know what would we do in advance, that effectively means no free will? Predestination much? Not really. Just because He knows what I’m going to choose does not mean I do not have the power to choose. So to use a parable… I offer you a green ball and a red ball. You may choose either one. I know in advance that you will of choose green because you like the colour green. An alternative situation. I know that you already have a green ball at home and I know that you know that I told a buddy that you will definitely pick the green ball. I know that you would pick the red ball instead because I know you hate me. In both examples you still have the choice to pick either green or red ball though, I just know what you were going to pick. Conclusion is, omniscience doesn’t destroy your free will. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 5:24AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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I’ve read that guy’s book, Michael Behe. I think it was pretty bad. also video is too long; didn’t watch Inertia edited this message on 12/10/2008 5:29AM |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 5:27AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
Like I said, I don’t think there is a right or wrong when it comes to religion. People should treat each other like people, but I find that argument is inherently flawed, maybe you can elaborate?
Free will and omniscience are diametrically opposed between Creator and creation in this case. God gave us free will because he loves us and wants us to come to him freely, but he knew our destinies when creating us(i.e. he knew every hair on our head before we were born). If he knew our destinies before creating us, then he knew some people were going to be evil/murderers/rapists even unto death and still chose to create them in this fashion, thus creating someone with the destiny of separation from God in the afterlife(Hell). Alternately, he didn’t know what choices we would make and there is no omniscience present. Explain? |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 5:46AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
Watch it on your own time, when you have a chance. Ken Miller is a devout Catholic who lectures against Intelligent Design and keeping religion out of our schools. I just found it a very interesting video and thought you may enjoy it as an Apologetics student. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 5:58AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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Deific Blunder Posted:
The first one is correct. He knew what we were gonna become, and He knew that some will go bad. This can be seen in the story of Esau and Jacob and was discussed quite plainly in Romans 9:14-21. Still, this does not mean we don’t have free will, as I’ve previously argued. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:18AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
Unfortunately, that’s exactly what it means. The examples in your previous argument were of someone who was merely omniscient, but not the Creator. In the case of a Creator, when created with omniscience of your every action in life before creation, it’s predestination. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:22AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
Prove it. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:25AM | View Are-'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Are- Posted:
He’s not here to prove God’s existence. He’s just offering to clear up question people may have about his religion. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:26AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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...Back to sin, God creates mammary glands, but God didn’t create fapping, that’s ridiculous. By the way, contrary to popular belief, fapping isn’t natural. Animals don’t jerk off, and many people have never fapped once in their life. Semen lets itself out even if you don’t fap.
Acctually (and i can’t be bothered to find them) there are videos on you tube of various animals fapping/attempting to fap.
The Bible was Divinely Inspired. The men who wrote the bible were “possessed” by the Holy Spirit whilst writing the books. So it was as if God Himself was writing the books. This is a core doctrine for most Christians.
I’ve been “possessed” by the holy spirit while writing this post… god says you’re wrong. He didn’t acctually create the universe, it was an accident – knocked over a jar of chemicals while high on pot. He appologises for the confusion.
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how does the universe work? what is the meaning of life? how was the earth created?
(before answering those)
Solve these Simultaneous Equations 3x + 2y = 28 x + 4y = 26
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Is hell exothermic or endothermic?
(sorry couldn’t resist Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:35AM | View Carix's Profile | # | ||||||
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Deific Blunder Posted:
I asked him what the 1,000,001th decimal of Pi was, he said 6. I asked him to prove it… Not to prove that God is real.
Carix Posted: Let me quote bash.org for that:
<lib1790> so, at this college there was an extra credit question “Is hell endothermic or exothermic” <lib1790> this is what one kid wrote: <lib1790> First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mbum. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mbum. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely bumume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. <lib1790>As for souls entering hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since, there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. <lib1790> Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mbum of souls and volume needs to stay constant. <lib1790>So, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose (i.e.,Hell is exothermic). <liv1790>Of course, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, than the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over (i.e.,Hell is endothermic). <lib1790>So which is it? If we accept the postulate given by Ms.Therese Banyan during my freshman year, “That it will be a cold night in hell before I go out with you,” and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having a relationship with her, the second case cannot be true. Therefore, hell is exothermic. <lib1790> the kid was the only one who got credit Are- edited this message on 12/10/2008 6:51AM |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 6:47AM | View Are-'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Deific Blunder Posted:
But only God is omniscient, we are not. This knowledge of the future is unknown and therefore irrelevant to us. As discussed in Romans, yes I suppose you can call that predestination… but not exactly in the sense that I think you are thinking of. As humans we still have free will, although this free will is rather redundant in God’s perspective, but as far as we’re concerned we determine our own lives.
I think you can look at it this way. First, think that God is not omniscient, he doesn’t know the future, we have free will. Then, he gains omniscience, he now knows the future, but he keeps this knowledge to himself. Are we affected in any way by this change in God’s knowledge? We still have free will.
Are- Posted: NO U disprove it.
Carix Posted:
3x + 2y = 28
3x + 12y = 78
-10y = -50 y = 5
3x + 2(5) = 28 3x + 10 = 28 3x = 18 x = 6
next time do your own homework.
Carix Posted: 1. Physics 2. The afterlife 3. By Word
Carix Posted: Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:10AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
He gains omniscience? The bible states that he is, not that he gains it post our birth. This doesn’t address my question in a satisfying(to me) manner. Even if he didn’t have omniscience to begin with, that would cast doubts on his omnipotence and omnipresence as well. God in the Christian doctrine is either omni-potent/scient/present and we don’t have free will since it all goes according to his infallible plan or he isn’t and is not a perfect being. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:28AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:34AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
I see what you are saying, but then, yes, it makes a huge difference. If God is not omniscient, then you’re right, it affects in no way and we will be judged according to our actions when we stand before Him, but He is omniscient, therefore able to predict with no error exactly what we will do before we are ever even conceived, thus him creating creatures who will do things exactly as he as known and pre-ordained according to His plan, in turn sending to Heaven or Hell those he chose. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:39AM | View Deific Blunder's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
You’re an agnostic? |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:41AM | View Healbot's Profile | # | ||||||
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Deific Blunder Posted:
Well yes that is what Romans 9:14-21 basically says. |
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Posted On: 12/10/2008 7:45AM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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