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Ben Stein's "Expelled"

nanafabulous personjesus Posted:

Edit: My biggest problem with his post was that it was elevating Intelligent Design to the level of theoretical physics and saying ID and Quantum mechanics are equally viable because of his lack of knowledge about Quantum Mechanics.

And while String Theory is unfalsifiable and ****, it at least has some mathematical backing. Something ID lacks.

On a related note, I do find it disheartening to see creationism and intelligent design compared, much less equated. They plainly are not the same. Creationism makes testable, specific, observable predictions about the world, such as:

-There are limits on “how far” a species can evolve (things reproduce after their kind).

-Dinosaurs and man coexisted.

-Geological layers, if they exist, should be sorted mostly according to mbum (i.e. hydrologically).

-Fossils are sorted hydrologically, with no obvious relationship between their morphology and where they’re found.

-The mutation rate in all organisms is very high (to account for all the neutral polymorphisms within species), or there is some evidence that it was very high in the past and suddenly dropped.

-No correlation exists between the depth of layers and the radioactivity of the rocks contained therein, or if such a correlation is found, then radioactivity is explainable in terms of flood geology in a way that makes dating measurements all consistently give false dates.

-Species have a distribution which generally reflects radiation out from Mt. Ararat 4,000 years ago.

-The speed of light is changing, or there is evidence that it has changed in the past, or no star is more than 6,000 light years away.

-People wearing radiation suits can live for 900 years.

Of course, these predictions all happen to be completely wrong, but at least creationists are willing to take a stand and submit their theory to the evidence nature provides. Of course, when their explanation for why their theory’s predictions are wrong begins with “Well, you see, God…” then it’s basically the same as ID. But otherwise, it’s actually a much better theory.